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Two common points crop up in these kinds of discussions: - what if you're part of a minority the government wants to disappear, like the Uyghur in China? DNA i
by a_bonobo 1y ago
Two common points crop up in these kinds of discussions:
- what if you're part of a minority the government wants to disappear, like the Uyghur in China? DNA is indicative of many minorities. You don't have to commit a crime.
- you don't have to share your DNA, some distant cousin sharing theirs is enough to implicate you (as in the Golden State Killer's arrest). You cannot control your far-flung relatives. You may not have a choice in this kind of privacy. That's what makes DNA unique in relation to other kinds of private data: your cousin's browsing history does not implicate you, DNA however may.
- charcircuit 1y ago[flagged]
- fruitworks 1y agoThe laws of the land don't override my personal interests.
- charcircuit 1y ago[flagged]
- close04 1y ago> it may suck if you are forced to give up something you are passionate about Your life. “Genocide/ethnic cleansing sucks but if the people want it, you deserve to get it.” charcircuit, 2025
- michaelsshaw 1y agoWe give up degenerate and harmful "interests" sure (murder, theft etc.) but we certainly don't need to give up any what we believe in just because of some irrational attachment to a certain state.
- scott_w 1y ago> Yes, it may suck if you are forced to give up something you are passionate about I'm sure Jews in 1930s Germany were passionate about living in dignity. The Nazis made sure they had to give that up.
- wat10000 1y agoWhat is the right way to handle being murdered by an oppressive government?
- charcircuit 1y agoBy definition if you are murdered there is nothing you can do. Unless you come back as a ghost or a zombie.
- phoronixrly 1y agoI'd say the laws of the land don't override basic human rights...
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> Then you should disappear. One's personal wants and desires don't override the laws of the land Disappearance explicitly occurs outside the protection of the law [1]. It historically occurred during events of ethnic cleansing and mass murder. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enforced_disappearance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enforced_disappearance
- michaelsshaw 1y agoIt's difficult for me to imagine what in your mind would justify extrajudicial disappearances. You don't even account for the immorality of certain laws, you assume that the law _IS_ morality. Quite interesting, indeed.
- silvester23 1y agoI respect your ability to react to such a post in this way. All I could think was "What the fuck?!"
- michaelsshaw 1y agoI'm not shocked by that kind of rhetoric anymore; I hear it a lot from supporters of a certain country, unfortunately.
- charcircuit 1y ago>you assume that the law _IS_ morality It is more of the converse in that I see breaking the law as immoral. My position is consistent which is why an extreme example has what people conceive of as an extreme response. I try and avoid letting emotions cloud my judgement in such matters.
- michaelsshaw 1y ago>It is more of the converse in that I see breaking the law as immoral It's the same thing. When you see breaking the law as inherently immoral, you guide your life to exist strictly in-line with the law. In other words, you use the law as a moral guide. You unequivocally equate law with morality. And you fail to account for immoral laws, as well as illegal enforcement actions. Was having gay sex immoral in the 80s, but suddenly became moral as it was legalized? What about countries where it is illegal? Is having gay sex there immoral? Not exactly a position I'd call consistent, as you put it. What about simply existing as a Palestinian person? Is being Palestinian immoral? It's certainly bordering on illegal, as extermination efforts continue.
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