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At the risk of massive downvotes, I have to admit that a small part of me wants this so that maybe corporations stop using Sharepoint as soon as possible. Seri

At the risk of massive downvotes, I have to admit that a small part of me wants this so that maybe corporations stop using Sharepoint as soon as possible. Seriously, I haven't used it since 2017, but every time I used it then it was the worst part of my day. I used to have a shirt that said SHarepoIT Happens that I would wear to work, and it seemed like the one thing I could get my coworkers agree on was that Sharepoint is terrible and we'd rather use anything else.

CommenterPerson 1y ago
I upvoted you .. share the same sentiment.
neuroelectron 1y ago
My boss spent over a year trying to get me to setup Sharepoint. About 6 months into this, I finally looked into it and what it provided and said no. Eventually he hired a second tech and he set it up "in an afternoon." Good for him. Nobody ever used it. He also stole my high speed USB drive.
- threetonesun 1y ago
  While Sharepoint might some day die, it will only be replaced by another piece of software that gets launched for nobody to ever use.
  - dylan604 1y ago
    Clearly Sharepoint is being used. Otherwise, this would not be a news story. So if every single Sharepoint user switched to another piece of software, it would be more than nobody using it.
    - doubled112 1y ago
      I think you missed the joke here, being that Sharepoint is installed in many of orgs, but never used after installation. I have worked at an org that did the same. We already had Confluence. Somebody decided we needed Sharepoint. We licensed and installed it. Six months later we migrated the handful of documents and files and decommissioned it.
      - dylan604 1y ago
        > I think you missed the joke here, probably so. every corp I've worked for that had Sharepoint used it religiously. that is a whopping 3 different companies, but > 1 anecdotal experience. to be fair though, 2 of the 3 companies used it because the same person was at both companies and was responsible for using it at both companies during their tenure.
  - rocqua 1y ago
    SharePoint is like exchange. It will likely never die, instead becoming a hidden layer that has been papered over 100 times.
weinzierl 1y ago
Sorry to disappoint you, but Sharepoint isn't going to die. This is actually a great day for Microsoft. People will come to their cloud solutions in troves after this and everyone will be happy. Maybe not everyone, but Microsoft for sure.
pvtmert 1y ago
to accommodate $MSFT shareholders downvotes, have my upvote :) nevertheless, even NFS is better than sharepoint. At least, NFS works...
sureglymop 1y ago
SharePoint is garbage. Even nextcloud is way better and it doesn't exactly have the best reputation. It can't possibly be that hard can it...
- jdiez17 1y ago
  I have never used SharePoint but I honestly cannot imagine it being worse than Nextcloud + Collabora Office. Which I do use almost every day.
  - jasonvorhe 1y ago
    You have no idea how good you have it.
delfinom 1y ago
Good news. Teams is actually SharePoint. It ain't going anywhere
- galangalalgol 1y ago
  My company was using slack and mattermost and consolidated to teams... It is so bad.
  - delfinom 1y ago
    Unlike Slack and Mattermost. Teams was designed by layers of middle managers at big corporate. Teams is literally everything wrong with big corporate in one package, being shoved by morons on small companies. Overall it's crippling the American economy.
kuhsaft 1y ago
It’s impossible to stop using M365 while stopping usage of SharePoint (cloud or on-premises). See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44640219 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44640219 Here’s just one example: Each M365 Teams Team creates an M365 Group which creates a SharePoint site and Exchange mailbox. Teams channel files are stored in that SharePoint site. Teams channel messages are stored in the Exchange mailbox. Private files dropped in Teams are stored in OneDrive (rebranded SharePoint). Private Teams messages are stored in the sender and recipients’ Exchange mailboxes. M365 is SharePoint and Exchange. EVERYTHING is built on top. EDIT: changed ‘individual’ to ‘sender and recipients’
- mschuster91 1y ago
  > Private Teams messages are stored in individual Exchange mailboxes. Good lord. It truly is a layer of dung layered upon more layers of dung.
  - anonymars 1y ago
    I don't think this is nearly as crazy as you may think at first glance Imagine if it was just a hidden (special) folder in an Exchange mailbox. Voila, you already have a well-known and widely implemented and tested message syncing solution both for content and status (read/unread) I assume Windows Phone worked the same way with its text message backup. When you'd set up a new phone it would take a while for your Microsoft account to finish syncing during which new messages would trickle into the Messaging app in real time. In fact if your old phone was still on WiFi new messages would show up on both. Still more advanced 15(?!) years ago than my Android today
    - blibble 1y ago
      explains why scrolling up in teams loads 3 messages at a time too very slowly and why the search doesn't work
    - greatgib 1y ago
      When you dig it up, it is totally crazy and the total shit that we could expect. Nothing works really well nowadays with exchange (classic, new, web, ...) or Teams. It is a complex layer based on sharepoint, that was not designed for that, because OneDrive is so bad that they have absolutely no way to manage a proper sharing of files between multiple persons, and so even less between teams and orgs.
rs186 1y ago
My company has SharePoint and another internal site for documents/notes (think about Notion/Quip/Confluence). The other site works quite well, and most developers write all their notes/docs on it. But some people just insist on uploading Word documents to SharePoint. So now everybody else has to use SharePoint as well, plus search twice whenever they need to find something.
cm2187 1y ago
And sharepoint in large organisations I have been at recently is now using oauth which breaks Microsoft's own sharepoint client API. That whole software is one massive waste of time and buget.
persolb 1y ago
As a mid size company that does work with government agencies, it’s near impossible to use anything ‘better’ solution. Cybersecurity requirements are getting so onerous that Sharepoint is too commercially feasible of an option to use anything else for a shared file store between organizations. The fact that Sharepoint sucks* doesn’t matter… because anything else is seen as a risk. * folders with lots of files are hard to scroll through because each page is lazy loaded, the automation functions are buggy, logins between different M365 tenants breaks and is not correctable by a normal site admin, human readable URL paths aren’t standard, search is shit, tables/filters are buggy, the new interface hides a bunch of the permissions logic, some things like permission groups need to be managed via outlook, etc etc. I’m sure a bunch of my gripes are technically fixable, but these aren’t things that should need a web search in order to use/fix.
- kuhsaft 1y ago
  It’s not cybersecurity. It’s legal, trust me. For large corporations, eDiscovery is huge. Failing eDiscovery can cost a company millions. Having a bunch of different data sources makes it impossible, so companies stick with M365 as corporate policy and call it a day.
eitland 1y ago
At some point Microsoft tried to sell some automatic DRM system based on SharePoint to some company that I worked for. The sales pitch was that they could upload documents to SharePoint and when people downloaded the documents SharePoint would automatically apply DRM so the documents could only be opened by that person on authorised machines for a specified number of days. Well, it turned out depending on how you logged in (using the same account, just different login forms) on the SharePoint server it would either give you the files with DRM applied - or the completely unrestricted files. We got some senior Microsoft consultant working directly for Microsoft to look at it but in the end they were just as confused as us.
xxs 1y ago
>At the risk of massive downvotes, The only reason to get downvotes is nonsense of prefacing the post with the 'worry'. Sharepoint would be far from a first choice under normal circumstances (e.g. not bundled with excel and friends)

CommenterPerson 1y ago

I upvoted you .. share the same sentiment.

neuroelectron 1y ago

My boss spent over a year trying to get me to setup Sharepoint. About 6 months into this, I finally looked into it and what it provided and said no. Eventually he hired a second tech and he set it up "in an afternoon." Good for him. Nobody ever used it. He also stole my high speed USB drive.

threetonesun 1y ago
While Sharepoint might some day die, it will only be replaced by another piece of software that gets launched for nobody to ever use.
- dylan604 1y ago
  Clearly Sharepoint is being used. Otherwise, this would not be a news story. So if every single Sharepoint user switched to another piece of software, it would be more than nobody using it.
  - doubled112 1y ago
    I think you missed the joke here, being that Sharepoint is installed in many of orgs, but never used after installation. I have worked at an org that did the same. We already had Confluence. Somebody decided we needed Sharepoint. We licensed and installed it. Six months later we migrated the handful of documents and files and decommissioned it.
    - dylan604 1y ago
      > I think you missed the joke here, probably so. every corp I've worked for that had Sharepoint used it religiously. that is a whopping 3 different companies, but > 1 anecdotal experience. to be fair though, 2 of the 3 companies used it because the same person was at both companies and was responsible for using it at both companies during their tenure.
- rocqua 1y ago
  SharePoint is like exchange. It will likely never die, instead becoming a hidden layer that has been papered over 100 times.

weinzierl 1y ago

Sorry to disappoint you, but Sharepoint isn't going to die. This is actually a great day for Microsoft. People will come to their cloud solutions in troves after this and everyone will be happy. Maybe not everyone, but Microsoft for sure.

pvtmert 1y ago

to accommodate $MSFT shareholders downvotes, have my upvote :) nevertheless, even NFS is better than sharepoint. At least, NFS works...

sureglymop 1y ago

SharePoint is garbage. Even nextcloud is way better and it doesn't exactly have the best reputation. It can't possibly be that hard can it...

jdiez17 1y ago
I have never used SharePoint but I honestly cannot imagine it being worse than Nextcloud + Collabora Office. Which I do use almost every day.
- jasonvorhe 1y ago
  You have no idea how good you have it.

delfinom 1y ago

Good news. Teams is actually SharePoint. It ain't going anywhere

galangalalgol 1y ago
My company was using slack and mattermost and consolidated to teams... It is so bad.
- delfinom 1y ago
  Unlike Slack and Mattermost. Teams was designed by layers of middle managers at big corporate. Teams is literally everything wrong with big corporate in one package, being shoved by morons on small companies. Overall it's crippling the American economy.

kuhsaft 1y ago

It’s impossible to stop using M365 while stopping usage of SharePoint (cloud or on-premises). See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44640219 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44640219 Here’s just one example: Each M365 Teams Team creates an M365 Group which creates a SharePoint site and Exchange mailbox. Teams channel files are stored in that SharePoint site. Teams channel messages are stored in the Exchange mailbox. Private files dropped in Teams are stored in OneDrive (rebranded SharePoint). Private Teams messages are stored in the sender and recipients’ Exchange mailboxes. M365 is SharePoint and Exchange. EVERYTHING is built on top. EDIT: changed ‘individual’ to ‘sender and recipients’

mschuster91 1y ago
> Private Teams messages are stored in individual Exchange mailboxes. Good lord. It truly is a layer of dung layered upon more layers of dung.
- anonymars 1y ago
  I don't think this is nearly as crazy as you may think at first glance Imagine if it was just a hidden (special) folder in an Exchange mailbox. Voila, you already have a well-known and widely implemented and tested message syncing solution both for content and status (read/unread) I assume Windows Phone worked the same way with its text message backup. When you'd set up a new phone it would take a while for your Microsoft account to finish syncing during which new messages would trickle into the Messaging app in real time. In fact if your old phone was still on WiFi new messages would show up on both. Still more advanced 15(?!) years ago than my Android today
  - blibble 1y ago
    explains why scrolling up in teams loads 3 messages at a time too very slowly and why the search doesn't work
  - greatgib 1y ago
    When you dig it up, it is totally crazy and the total shit that we could expect. Nothing works really well nowadays with exchange (classic, new, web, ...) or Teams. It is a complex layer based on sharepoint, that was not designed for that, because OneDrive is so bad that they have absolutely no way to manage a proper sharing of files between multiple persons, and so even less between teams and orgs.

rs186 1y ago

My company has SharePoint and another internal site for documents/notes (think about Notion/Quip/Confluence). The other site works quite well, and most developers write all their notes/docs on it. But some people just insist on uploading Word documents to SharePoint. So now everybody else has to use SharePoint as well, plus search twice whenever they need to find something.

cm2187 1y ago

And sharepoint in large organisations I have been at recently is now using oauth which breaks Microsoft's own sharepoint client API. That whole software is one massive waste of time and buget.

persolb 1y ago

As a mid size company that does work with government agencies, it’s near impossible to use anything ‘better’ solution. Cybersecurity requirements are getting so onerous that Sharepoint is too commercially feasible of an option to use anything else for a shared file store between organizations. The fact that Sharepoint sucks* doesn’t matter… because anything else is seen as a risk. * folders with lots of files are hard to scroll through because each page is lazy loaded, the automation functions are buggy, logins between different M365 tenants breaks and is not correctable by a normal site admin, human readable URL paths aren’t standard, search is shit, tables/filters are buggy, the new interface hides a bunch of the permissions logic, some things like permission groups need to be managed via outlook, etc etc. I’m sure a bunch of my gripes are technically fixable, but these aren’t things that should need a web search in order to use/fix.

kuhsaft 1y ago
It’s not cybersecurity. It’s legal, trust me. For large corporations, eDiscovery is huge. Failing eDiscovery can cost a company millions. Having a bunch of different data sources makes it impossible, so companies stick with M365 as corporate policy and call it a day.

eitland 1y ago

At some point Microsoft tried to sell some automatic DRM system based on SharePoint to some company that I worked for. The sales pitch was that they could upload documents to SharePoint and when people downloaded the documents SharePoint would automatically apply DRM so the documents could only be opened by that person on authorised machines for a specified number of days. Well, it turned out depending on how you logged in (using the same account, just different login forms) on the SharePoint server it would either give you the files with DRM applied - or the completely unrestricted files. We got some senior Microsoft consultant working directly for Microsoft to look at it but in the end they were just as confused as us.

xxs 1y ago

>At the risk of massive downvotes, The only reason to get downvotes is nonsense of prefacing the post with the 'worry'. Sharepoint would be far from a first choice under normal circumstances (e.g. not bundled with excel and friends)