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> The UK is the same country that arrests 12,000 people a year for posting online. I though it could not be true, but actually it is...WTF? https://www.europa

by belter 1y ago

> The UK is the same country that arrests 12,000 people a year for posting online. I though it could not be true, but actually it is...WTF? https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-10-2025-002239_EN.html https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-10-2025-0022...

geek_at 1y ago
In Europe we don't value free speech as high as the US. There is "forbidden speech" (around lying about Holocaust related topics and insulting people online) and I think it's a good thing in total. You spew out the worst of the worst on the internet you should be able to be held accountable
- giantg2 1y ago
  US has plenty of arrests for terroristic threats and similar. Many of these are online now. 12k arrests per year related to online posts doesn't sound all that high.
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
    Making terrorist threats are different than insulting some's religion, complaining about illegal immigrant crimes or shitting on politicians online. It's disingenuous to argue they're in the same ballpark that EU and US speech is similarly policed because it's not.
    - giantg2 1y ago
      Not terrorist threats - terroristic threats. This includes anything that someone might think is threatening. Do you have examples of non-threatening language resulting in arrest in the UK?
      - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
        >Not terrorist threats - terroristic threats. This includes anything that someone might think is threatening WAHAT?! Are we making up new terms for "someone offended me online and since I feel threatened I call it terroristic"? Actual threats are already legally defined and punished. So is terrorism. So it's either terrorism or it's not, and it's either a threat or it's not.
LightBug1 1y ago
Always good to peel away at least the surface layer ... and ideally more ... https://archive.ph/xBtFI#selection-3249.145-3249.167 https://archive.ph/xBtFI#selection-3249.145-3249.167 A spokeswoman for Leicestershire police said crimes under Section 127 and Section 1 include “any form of communication” such as phone calls, letters, emails and hoax calls to emergency services. “They may also be serious domestic abuse-related crimes. Our staff must assess all of the information to determine if the threshold to record a crime has been met. “Where a malicious communications offence is believed to have taken place, appropriate action will be taken. Our staff must consider whether the communication may be an expression which would be considered to be freedom of speech. While it may be unacceptable to be rude or offensive it is not unlawful — unless the communication is ‘grossly offensive’.

by belter 1y ago

geek_at 1y ago

In Europe we don't value free speech as high as the US. There is "forbidden speech" (around lying about Holocaust related topics and insulting people online) and I think it's a good thing in total. You spew out the worst of the worst on the internet you should be able to be held accountable

giantg2 1y ago
US has plenty of arrests for terroristic threats and similar. Many of these are online now. 12k arrests per year related to online posts doesn't sound all that high.
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  Making terrorist threats are different than insulting some's religion, complaining about illegal immigrant crimes or shitting on politicians online. It's disingenuous to argue they're in the same ballpark that EU and US speech is similarly policed because it's not.
  - giantg2 1y ago
    Not terrorist threats - terroristic threats. This includes anything that someone might think is threatening. Do you have examples of non-threatening language resulting in arrest in the UK?
    - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
      >Not terrorist threats - terroristic threats. This includes anything that someone might think is threatening WAHAT?! Are we making up new terms for "someone offended me online and since I feel threatened I call it terroristic"? Actual threats are already legally defined and punished. So is terrorism. So it's either terrorism or it's not, and it's either a threat or it's not.

LightBug1 1y ago

Always good to peel away at least the surface layer ... and ideally more ... https://archive.ph/xBtFI#selection-3249.145-3249.167 https://archive.ph/xBtFI#selection-3249.145-3249.167 A spokeswoman for Leicestershire police said crimes under Section 127 and Section 1 include “any form of communication” such as phone calls, letters, emails and hoax calls to emergency services. “They may also be serious domestic abuse-related crimes. Our staff must assess all of the information to determine if the threshold to record a crime has been met. “Where a malicious communications offence is believed to have taken place, appropriate action will be taken. Our staff must consider whether the communication may be an expression which would be considered to be freedom of speech. While it may be unacceptable to be rude or offensive it is not unlawful — unless the communication is ‘grossly offensive’.