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https://archive.ph/ https://archive.ph/ We need to keep making more of these.

nehal3m 1y ago
This article was archived 4 days ago. :-) https://archive.ph/dSeku https://archive.ph/dSeku
CjHuber 1y ago
Or stop talking about them. No but seriously I always wonder how other sites or workaround get taken down, but nobody cares about archive. I just hope it continues to stay under the radar.
- vasco 1y ago
  The only long term solution is to stop sharing paywalled content.
  - x______________ 1y ago
    Or create a deeper underground where the masses do not get involved?
  - PaulHoule 1y ago
    The dirty secret is that the news media needs archive.today in order to function. Anyone writing an article about subject Y needs to know what every paper wrote about it. Back in the 00's it got out that you could log into almost any newspaper web site with "media/media", something that got clamped down on when it got out. You'd think The New York Times could afford to get a subscription to other newspapers for their reporters but there is no way they could stoop so low as to admit that they're dependent on or equal to them in in any way. Most smaller papers are such marginal operations that they couldn't afford it even for writers who are on the paywall. It's more ramshackle than you think since even a lot of New York Times articles are written by freelancers who have no real connection with the organization and it's even more true for all the papers that are hanging on a shoestring. If archive.today didn't exist they'd have to make one.
    - NicuCalcea 1y ago
      Most newsrooms have access to LexisNexis or a similar service, so they have access to other paper's stories. My old newsroom also directly paid for subscriptions to other newspapers, it's not uncommon.
      - h2zizzle 1y ago
        Bit of a hassle, though? My college had access to a ton of publications through this or that subscription, and it was so, so much more simple to just hit up z-lib or whatever, especially when away from the library.
    - gsf_emergency_2 1y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37009598 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37009598 Russians will have to make one https://archive.today/gyrovague.com/2023/08/05/archive-today-on-the-trail-of-the-mysterious-guerrilla-archivist-of-the-internet/ https://archive.today/gyrovague.com/2023/08/05/archive-today...
  - Marsymars 1y ago
    There’s no real way to tell if the content you share today will be paywalled tomorrow.
    - bookofjoe 1y ago
      Screenshot FTW!
1vuio0pswjnm7 1y ago
https://web.archive.org https://web.archive.org https://commoncrawl.org https://commoncrawl.org I would prefer more of these. Alas, archive.today (archive.ph, archive.is, archive.vn, etc.) is sometimes blocked in some countries, it sometimes serves CAPTCHAs, it tries to create a "fingerprint" using Javascript, and it contains a tracking pixel. Neither Internet Archive nor Common Crawl do those things. (There are other archives I am not mentioning that do not do these things either.) When it works, archive.today may seem like a perfect solution to "paywalls". And then it stops working. In truth most paywalls are solved by controlling HTTP headers like UA and X-forwarded-for, controlling Javascript and controlling cookies. This control requires no third party intermediary (middleman) like Archive.today. Or Internet Archive, for that matter. None of these archives are perfect and it's true the public could use more of them. But there are better ways to avoid "paywalls" which are just a means of collecting data about non-subscribers while deliberately annoying them with Javascript.
- pseudo0 1y ago
  The Internet Archive is significantly less useful because they allow people to exclude their public social media accounts or websites. On a couple occasions I have tried to find a source for old deleted statements using the IA only to find that the data had been scrubbed. Fortunately archive.today still had a copy in one case, but in the other one I was out of luck.
  - cobertos 1y ago
    What were you looking for that was prone to scrubbing? Just curious because I have a collection of historical data to go through and don't know what to expect
    - pseudo0 1y ago
      In one case it was a personal website, the other was a Twitter account. Both got scrubbed from the IA. Apparently they will comply with GDPR and DMCA requests, I'm not sure what precise mechanism was used in those cases. https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/eut3na/can_i_get_personal_information_removed_from_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/eut3na/can_i_get_p... https://www.joshualowcock.com/guide/how-to-delete-your-site-from-the-internet-archive-wayback-machine-archive-org/ https://www.joshualowcock.com/guide/how-to-delete-your-site-...
open-paren 1y ago
A slightly different take - archive only the text, like "reader mode" https://github.com/carterworks/yazzy https://github.com/carterworks/yazzy

This article was archived 4 days ago. :-) https://archive.ph/dSeku https://archive.ph/dSeku

Or stop talking about them. No but seriously I always wonder how other sites or workaround get taken down, but nobody cares about archive. I just hope it continues to stay under the radar.

vasco 1y ago
The only long term solution is to stop sharing paywalled content.
- x______________ 1y ago
  Or create a deeper underground where the masses do not get involved?
- PaulHoule 1y ago
  The dirty secret is that the news media needs archive.today in order to function. Anyone writing an article about subject Y needs to know what every paper wrote about it. Back in the 00's it got out that you could log into almost any newspaper web site with "media/media", something that got clamped down on when it got out. You'd think The New York Times could afford to get a subscription to other newspapers for their reporters but there is no way they could stoop so low as to admit that they're dependent on or equal to them in in any way. Most smaller papers are such marginal operations that they couldn't afford it even for writers who are on the paywall. It's more ramshackle than you think since even a lot of New York Times articles are written by freelancers who have no real connection with the organization and it's even more true for all the papers that are hanging on a shoestring. If archive.today didn't exist they'd have to make one.
  - NicuCalcea 1y ago
    Most newsrooms have access to LexisNexis or a similar service, so they have access to other paper's stories. My old newsroom also directly paid for subscriptions to other newspapers, it's not uncommon.
    - h2zizzle 1y ago
      Bit of a hassle, though? My college had access to a ton of publications through this or that subscription, and it was so, so much more simple to just hit up z-lib or whatever, especially when away from the library.
  - gsf_emergency_2 1y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37009598 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37009598 Russians will have to make one https://archive.today/gyrovague.com/2023/08/05/archive-today-on-the-trail-of-the-mysterious-guerrilla-archivist-of-the-internet/ https://archive.today/gyrovague.com/2023/08/05/archive-today...
- Marsymars 1y ago
  There’s no real way to tell if the content you share today will be paywalled tomorrow.
  - bookofjoe 1y ago
    Screenshot FTW!

1vuio0pswjnm7 1y ago

https://web.archive.org https://web.archive.org https://commoncrawl.org https://commoncrawl.org I would prefer more of these. Alas, archive.today (archive.ph, archive.is, archive.vn, etc.) is sometimes blocked in some countries, it sometimes serves CAPTCHAs, it tries to create a "fingerprint" using Javascript, and it contains a tracking pixel. Neither Internet Archive nor Common Crawl do those things. (There are other archives I am not mentioning that do not do these things either.) When it works, archive.today may seem like a perfect solution to "paywalls". And then it stops working. In truth most paywalls are solved by controlling HTTP headers like UA and X-forwarded-for, controlling Javascript and controlling cookies. This control requires no third party intermediary (middleman) like Archive.today. Or Internet Archive, for that matter. None of these archives are perfect and it's true the public could use more of them. But there are better ways to avoid "paywalls" which are just a means of collecting data about non-subscribers while deliberately annoying them with Javascript.

pseudo0 1y ago
The Internet Archive is significantly less useful because they allow people to exclude their public social media accounts or websites. On a couple occasions I have tried to find a source for old deleted statements using the IA only to find that the data had been scrubbed. Fortunately archive.today still had a copy in one case, but in the other one I was out of luck.
- cobertos 1y ago
  What were you looking for that was prone to scrubbing? Just curious because I have a collection of historical data to go through and don't know what to expect
  - pseudo0 1y ago
    In one case it was a personal website, the other was a Twitter account. Both got scrubbed from the IA. Apparently they will comply with GDPR and DMCA requests, I'm not sure what precise mechanism was used in those cases. https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/eut3na/can_i_get_personal_information_removed_from_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/eut3na/can_i_get_p... https://www.joshualowcock.com/guide/how-to-delete-your-site-from-the-internet-archive-wayback-machine-archive-org/ https://www.joshualowcock.com/guide/how-to-delete-your-site-...

open-paren 1y ago

A slightly different take - archive only the text, like "reader mode" https://github.com/carterworks/yazzy https://github.com/carterworks/yazzy