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Are you seriously comparing something used to trigger an infrequent immune response vs something that we take in on a daily basis to run our bodies? The latter

Are you seriously comparing something used to trigger an infrequent immune response vs something that we take in on a daily basis to run our bodies? The latter being things that are transformed and transported to every part of the body. > This is like saying "the main chemical in vaccines is just one atom from bleach!" No, a better equivalent would be injecting a single PFAS atom in your drinking water. You don't know where it's going to end up, but you do know that it's going to cause some issues wherever it goes if accumulated in quantity. > The main chemical in vaccines being water: H2O -> H2O2; and the processes humans have been using for millennia to alter protein structures being "cooking", "mixing it with alcohol or vinegar", or "adding lots of salt". Equating Beyond's process to cooking is such a disservice when they literally state they use heat and pressure to alter protein structures in globular plant molecules to transform them into stuff resembling fibrous animal molecules. https://youtu.be/uTHCqjIspKU?si=pFqoQOuGbIPNnJox https://youtu.be/uTHCqjIspKU?si=pFqoQOuGbIPNnJox Around the 1:30 mark.

ben_w 1y ago
> PFAS atom Mixing up atoms and molecules is not a great start as comebacks go. > Equating Beyond's process to cooking is such a disservice when they literally state they use heat and pressure to alter protein structures in globular plant molecules to transform them into stuff resembling fibrous animal molecules. You're literally describing "cooking" with that sentence. Not metaphorically, that is literally what cooking does to the proteins in food. For example, bread dough is at a minimum flour and water, which you then knead. Water partially unfolds the gluten (collective name for a category of various protein) molecules, the mechanical force then encourage the gluten proteins into a different configuration, and it polymerises: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0308814615301205 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03088... Then you heat it. On a related note, when you say: > Are you seriously comparing something used to trigger an infrequent immune response vs something that we take in on a daily basis to run our bodies? The latter being things that are transformed and transported to every part of the body. A lot of proteins are both of those things at the same time. The gluten in your bread, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluten_immunochemistry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluten_immunochemistry Beyond Meat is apparently gluten-free, I picked bread because it's one of the least-processed foods you can get without it being raw.

ben_w 1y ago

> PFAS atom Mixing up atoms and molecules is not a great start as comebacks go. > Equating Beyond's process to cooking is such a disservice when they literally state they use heat and pressure to alter protein structures in globular plant molecules to transform them into stuff resembling fibrous animal molecules. You're literally describing "cooking" with that sentence. Not metaphorically, that is literally what cooking does to the proteins in food. For example, bread dough is at a minimum flour and water, which you then knead. Water partially unfolds the gluten (collective name for a category of various protein) molecules, the mechanical force then encourage the gluten proteins into a different configuration, and it polymerises: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0308814615301205 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03088... Then you heat it. On a related note, when you say: > Are you seriously comparing something used to trigger an infrequent immune response vs something that we take in on a daily basis to run our bodies? The latter being things that are transformed and transported to every part of the body. A lot of proteins are both of those things at the same time. The gluten in your bread, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluten_immunochemistry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluten_immunochemistry Beyond Meat is apparently gluten-free, I picked bread because it's one of the least-processed foods you can get without it being raw.