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> Stephen Miller [...] ordered American security forces to arrest at least 3,000 humans per day nationwide. What a bizarre article! It always refers to illegal

> Stephen Miller [...] ordered American security forces to arrest at least 3,000 humans per day nationwide. What a bizarre article! It always refers to illegal immigrants as "humans" as if that's the crime. Is this a new trend in the euphemism treadmill? Have we moved from "undocumented immigrant" to "human"?

542354234235 1y ago
The article says "people", not humans. And whichever term it is using, it is not referring to undocumented immigrants, it is referring to people, regardless of documentation. "Trump's 'border czar', Tom Homan, has stated ICE does not need probable cause to detain people based on their physical appearance. Homan confirmed ICE has made what he described as 'collateral arrests' of 'many' American citizens". The goal is to arrest at least 3,000 brown people, many of which will end up being US citizens, but that is just collateral damage to them.
- everybodyknows 1y ago
  It says "people" now. Half an hour ago it said "human". See edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2600:4040:5491:9200:7C45:9CB1:F0C4:C3E6 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2600:4... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detention_and_deportation_of_American_citizens_in_the_second_Trump_administration&diff=prev&oldid=1301789812 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detention_and_d...
jjayjay 1y ago
In the minutes after you comment, it has been ninja edited to change "humans" to "people". https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detention_and_deportation_of_American_citizens_in_the_second_Trump_administration&diff=1301789812&oldid=1301781910 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detention_and_dep... The oddness of the original...was it was possibly pasted from an LLM response?
beAbU 1y ago
It says "people" for me?
saubeidl 1y ago
"Illegal immigrants" are humans. The term illegal immigrant is hate speech, trying to criminalize their being. Humans that broke immigration law is more appropriate.
- asdfasvea 1y ago
  Oh good, more semantics to the rescue. You're as great as those people who ended homelessness with 'unhoused', ended racism by lumping all non-whites into 'people of color'. I'd say 'God bless you sir', but that's hate speech as well now.
  - saubeidl 1y ago
    Words matter because they define our shared reality. The examples you shared are liberal identity politics, nonsense I don't prescribe to. Calling a person "illegal" is a way of dehumanization. Dehumanization is the first step towards genocide.
    - hagbard_c 1y ago
      The second and fourth part of your reply do not match the first and third one. > The examples you shared are liberal identity politics, nonsense I don't prescribe to. ... Dehumanization is the first step towards genocide. Good, wholeheartedly agree, identity politics is a form of divide and conquer thought up by people who had two goals: to gain power and to keep it. Also, indeed, dehumanisation has been used by many with ill intent to make it psychologically defensible to get rid of groups of people who either stand in their way or who are used as scape goats for everything bad whether those be 'Jews' or 'straight white men'. > Words matter because they define our shared reality. ... Calling a person "illegal" is a way of dehumanization. Nope, that is part of the word games played by the same group which tries to use identity politics to gain and keep power. Calling a person illegal is the way to refer to people who committed the crime of illegal entry, thereby violating immigration law. All countries have laws on migration and as far as I know all those laws - when translated to English - refer to Illegal entry when discussing those who violate it. It is comparable to calling those who commit the crime of robbery a robber, those who commit the crime of burglary a burglar, those who commit the crime of fraud a fraudster and so on.

542354234235 1y ago

The article says "people", not humans. And whichever term it is using, it is not referring to undocumented immigrants, it is referring to people, regardless of documentation. "Trump's 'border czar', Tom Homan, has stated ICE does not need probable cause to detain people based on their physical appearance. Homan confirmed ICE has made what he described as 'collateral arrests' of 'many' American citizens". The goal is to arrest at least 3,000 brown people, many of which will end up being US citizens, but that is just collateral damage to them.

everybodyknows 1y ago
It says "people" now. Half an hour ago it said "human". See edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2600:4040:5491:9200:7C45:9CB1:F0C4:C3E6 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2600:4... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detention_and_deportation_of_American_citizens_in_the_second_Trump_administration&diff=prev&oldid=1301789812 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detention_and_d...

jjayjay 1y ago

In the minutes after you comment, it has been ninja edited to change "humans" to "people". https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detention_and_deportation_of_American_citizens_in_the_second_Trump_administration&diff=1301789812&oldid=1301781910 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Detention_and_dep... The oddness of the original...was it was possibly pasted from an LLM response?

beAbU 1y ago

It says "people" for me?

saubeidl 1y ago

"Illegal immigrants" are humans. The term illegal immigrant is hate speech, trying to criminalize their being. Humans that broke immigration law is more appropriate.

asdfasvea 1y ago
Oh good, more semantics to the rescue. You're as great as those people who ended homelessness with 'unhoused', ended racism by lumping all non-whites into 'people of color'. I'd say 'God bless you sir', but that's hate speech as well now.
- saubeidl 1y ago
  Words matter because they define our shared reality. The examples you shared are liberal identity politics, nonsense I don't prescribe to. Calling a person "illegal" is a way of dehumanization. Dehumanization is the first step towards genocide.
  - hagbard_c 1y ago
    The second and fourth part of your reply do not match the first and third one. > The examples you shared are liberal identity politics, nonsense I don't prescribe to. ... Dehumanization is the first step towards genocide. Good, wholeheartedly agree, identity politics is a form of divide and conquer thought up by people who had two goals: to gain power and to keep it. Also, indeed, dehumanisation has been used by many with ill intent to make it psychologically defensible to get rid of groups of people who either stand in their way or who are used as scape goats for everything bad whether those be 'Jews' or 'straight white men'. > Words matter because they define our shared reality. ... Calling a person "illegal" is a way of dehumanization. Nope, that is part of the word games played by the same group which tries to use identity politics to gain and keep power. Calling a person illegal is the way to refer to people who committed the crime of illegal entry, thereby violating immigration law. All countries have laws on migration and as far as I know all those laws - when translated to English - refer to Illegal entry when discussing those who violate it. It is comparable to calling those who commit the crime of robbery a robber, those who commit the crime of burglary a burglar, those who commit the crime of fraud a fraudster and so on.