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> suing the everlasting shit out of the government when they try to detain you, which they won't, because this is just made up. Two things 1) Suing the US gov

> suing the everlasting shit out of the government when they try to detain you, which they won't, because this is just made up. Two things 1) Suing the US government only works when they say you can sue them (see: Sovereign Immunity). Additionally, the rank-and-file have vastly extended defenses against lawsuits (see: Qualified Immunity). If an customs agent decided to get especially frisky against you, the odds of you succeeding on a lawsuit against either the agent or the US government is close to nil unless it was an extreme violation of your constitutional rights, and even then it's not in your favor. 2) We have multiple recent examples of US citizens being illegally detained by ICE agents despite showing paperwork and evidence of citizenship. If you think you're safe: You're not.

andrewla 1y ago
There are lots of legal carveouts for when you can't sue the government but that is not relevant to this particular discussion. Yes, there are a handful of recent examples of ICE detentions of American citizens suspected of being illegal aliens (although the only deportations I'm aware of are minor natural born citizens deported by request of their birth mother). The majority for obstruction but a handful pending deportation proceedings and held even after documentation of citizenship was produced. You've heard about them for two reasons. 1) There are very few compared to the scale of deportations currently being processed, so each case is exceptional against an incredibly low base rate. And these stories have been happening since 9/11 but journalists didn't give a shit until there was a salient political point to be scored 2) They are all suing the everlasting shit out of the government or have already settled
- fzeroracer 1y ago
  You've changed your argument. First you said it wasn't happening and was made up, now you're saying it's happening at an incredibly low base rate.
  - andrewla 1y ago
    To be fair you raised a different point about ICE detentions as opposed to US citizens being denied reentry because of social media posts. The former happens but extremely rarely (like winning the lottery rare). The latter does not happen.

andrewla 1y ago

There are lots of legal carveouts for when you can't sue the government but that is not relevant to this particular discussion. Yes, there are a handful of recent examples of ICE detentions of American citizens suspected of being illegal aliens (although the only deportations I'm aware of are minor natural born citizens deported by request of their birth mother). The majority for obstruction but a handful pending deportation proceedings and held even after documentation of citizenship was produced. You've heard about them for two reasons. 1) There are very few compared to the scale of deportations currently being processed, so each case is exceptional against an incredibly low base rate. And these stories have been happening since 9/11 but journalists didn't give a shit until there was a salient political point to be scored 2) They are all suing the everlasting shit out of the government or have already settled

fzeroracer 1y ago
You've changed your argument. First you said it wasn't happening and was made up, now you're saying it's happening at an incredibly low base rate.
- andrewla 1y ago
  To be fair you raised a different point about ICE detentions as opposed to US citizens being denied reentry because of social media posts. The former happens but extremely rarely (like winning the lottery rare). The latter does not happen.