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This was tried the 60s in the us and uk, which gave rise to the ghettos torn down in the 2000s. There is little appetite on any side to re do that It’s amazing

This was tried the 60s in the us and uk, which gave rise to the ghettos torn down in the 2000s. There is little appetite on any side to re do that It’s amazing how little history people seem to remember or know. I think people might be open to trying again if you could address what went wrong last time (extreme crime and poverty traps)

nobody9999 1y ago
>It’s amazing how little history people seem to remember or know. Yourself included. cf. Mitchell-Lama housing[0]. It was enormously successful in creating housing (both rentals and sales) for significant numbers of people. In fact, such housing is still (70 years later) doing so. We could use a whole lot more of that! [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell%E2%80%93Lama_Housing_Program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell%E2%80%93Lama_Housing_...
- tsunamifury 1y ago
  Cherry picking singular successes does not overcome the large amounts of data going the other way. Please do better.
  - nobody9999 1y ago
    Hundreds to thousands of buildings over seventy years is a "singular success?" I personally know dozens of people who grew up in Mitchell-Lama housing. Tens to hundreds of thousands of people still do. But because other implementations are less successful (which is debatable, especially as you've provided zero examples), we should scrap successful ones? Or am I missing your point? Please do elucidate. Edit: It occurs to me that you're likely ignorant (especially given your response) of Mitchell-Lama programs. As such, I encourage you to educate yourself and to advocate for similar programs, as they create stable housing and promote community for many people -- and unless you live in a large urban area, it provides that for more folks than live in your entire county.
    - tsunamifury 1y ago
      Mitchell–Lama Housing Program Is specifically NOT public housing and you are calling me ignorant. JFC dude it’s a great private sector tax abatement program but this is a comment about Cabrini Green type projects.
      - nobody9999 1y ago
        I never said it was public housing. And it's not just a tax abatement program. You go ahead and keep moving the goalposts, friend. You can do that all by yourself. kthxbai!
        tsunamifury 1y ago
        Are you confused it’s literally what the thread is about. Jeeze dude.
        nobody9999 1y ago
        What happens when housing prices go down? (clmarohn.substack.com) 153 points by chmaynard 4 days ago | flag | hide | past | favorite | 335 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44634266 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44634266
arethuza 1y ago
A lot of "social housing" in the UK was perfectly decent and still exists - I grew up in a council house as did a lot of my friends. The main thing that has changed is that most of those houses have now been bought and are privately owned. Yes, of course there were a lot of grim council housing estates (particularly tower blocks) that had to be knocked down but the causes were often a lot more complex than the concept of social housing being fundamentally flawed.
queenkjuul 1y ago
Post war UK social housing was a huge success, and US social housing was deliberately turned into ghettos through deliberate lack of maintenance. It's amazing how little history people who think they know history actually know
- arethuza 1y ago
  Social housing, at least here in Scotland, is actually built to a higher standard than that produced for sale.

nobody9999 1y ago

>It’s amazing how little history people seem to remember or know. Yourself included. cf. Mitchell-Lama housing[0]. It was enormously successful in creating housing (both rentals and sales) for significant numbers of people. In fact, such housing is still (70 years later) doing so. We could use a whole lot more of that! [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell%E2%80%93Lama_Housing_Program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell%E2%80%93Lama_Housing_...

tsunamifury 1y ago
Cherry picking singular successes does not overcome the large amounts of data going the other way. Please do better.
- nobody9999 1y ago
  Hundreds to thousands of buildings over seventy years is a "singular success?" I personally know dozens of people who grew up in Mitchell-Lama housing. Tens to hundreds of thousands of people still do. But because other implementations are less successful (which is debatable, especially as you've provided zero examples), we should scrap successful ones? Or am I missing your point? Please do elucidate. Edit: It occurs to me that you're likely ignorant (especially given your response) of Mitchell-Lama programs. As such, I encourage you to educate yourself and to advocate for similar programs, as they create stable housing and promote community for many people -- and unless you live in a large urban area, it provides that for more folks than live in your entire county.
  - tsunamifury 1y ago
    Mitchell–Lama Housing Program Is specifically NOT public housing and you are calling me ignorant. JFC dude it’s a great private sector tax abatement program but this is a comment about Cabrini Green type projects.
    - nobody9999 1y ago
      I never said it was public housing. And it's not just a tax abatement program. You go ahead and keep moving the goalposts, friend. You can do that all by yourself. kthxbai!
      - tsunamifury 1y ago
        Are you confused it’s literally what the thread is about. Jeeze dude.
        nobody9999 1y ago
        What happens when housing prices go down? (clmarohn.substack.com) 153 points by chmaynard 4 days ago | flag | hide | past | favorite | 335 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44634266 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44634266

arethuza 1y ago

A lot of "social housing" in the UK was perfectly decent and still exists - I grew up in a council house as did a lot of my friends. The main thing that has changed is that most of those houses have now been bought and are privately owned. Yes, of course there were a lot of grim council housing estates (particularly tower blocks) that had to be knocked down but the causes were often a lot more complex than the concept of social housing being fundamentally flawed.

queenkjuul 1y ago

Post war UK social housing was a huge success, and US social housing was deliberately turned into ghettos through deliberate lack of maintenance. It's amazing how little history people who think they know history actually know

arethuza 1y ago
Social housing, at least here in Scotland, is actually built to a higher standard than that produced for sale.