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> freedom of speech is above everything. No it is not. I have the freedom to call you all kinds of insults, but I will get banned (if I'm not already, I wouldn
by Cthulhu_ 1y ago
> freedom of speech is above everything.
No it is not. I have the freedom to call you all kinds of insults, but I will get banned (if I'm not already, I wouldn't know lol). It's the paradox of intolerance.
> in a few years we will have social points like china and those who disagree with left-leaning ideas and government interventionism will be reduced to silence or even jailed.
This is a slippery slope fallacy. Besides, the current powers-that-be are actively suppressing free speech already, banning books, teachings, erasing LGBTQ+ and Black history. You don't get freedom of speech either on platforms like Twitter, where for example the word "cisgender" gets actively suppressed. That's known, what isn't known is how certain topics get boosted or suppressed by their algorithms, which is why there should be transparency.
If you're afraid of the slippery slope from "the left", wake up and see what's actually happening right now. People in the US get disappeared while following the proper immigration processes. The media and speech is actively being suppressed (see the sudden cancellation of The Late Show).
- retinaros 1y agowho defines what is an insult? the law? its interpretation based on ideology? who makes the law? in china talking about winnie the pooh can get you to jail. In western europe like (UK,Germany) that would be having memes or criticizing immigration policies dont ever forget that the tools you build to punish and censor your opponents will be in its reach once they come to power. for instance Biden and twitter created a precedent that allowed X and Trump to happen.
- gruez 1y ago>This is a slippery slope fallacy. Besides, the current powers-that-be are actively suppressing free speech already, banning books, teachings, erasing LGBTQ+ and Black history. You don't get freedom of speech either on platforms like Twitter, where for example the word "cisgender" gets actively suppressed. That's known, what isn't known is how certain topics get boosted or suppressed by their algorithms, which is why there should be transparency. What does US culture war issues have relevance to what's going on with France? Moreover what's the implication here? Are you trying to imply that because Americans are doing right-wing censorship, it's fine or even required that France engages in left-wing censorship?
- retinaros 1y agoyes he implies that there is an axis of good (his ideas, biden ideas, left leaning media) and a wrong side. somehow it is hard for people biased towards an ideology to understand that they are just the other side of a same coin....
- immibis 1y agoAssuming that all ideologies are equally bad ("sports team politics") is itself an ideology.
- retinaros 1y agonot really. taking good everywhere and leaving the trash is the only way. communism mass murdered millions of christians and europeans and chinese, it is the biggest mass murder in the history of the world. I assume you wouldnt say it isnt equally as bad as the worst of the right wing movements
- aspenmayer 1y ago> communism mass murdered millions of christians and europeans and chinese, it is the biggest mass murder in the history of the world. Just so we're clear, are you counting German Nazi soldiers KIA by USSR communist soldiers or not? Because that will probably affect your math and whether or not I think you're arguing in good faith.
- retinaros 1y agoIm counting innocent victims only. The holodomor and mao great leap are the two biggest mass murder in history and surely would put communism As something as awful as the worst of the right wing did. There is a reason the movement is banned in many countries and a secular country like turkey had to push back islam Into schools To fight this evil ideology
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