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X are simultaneously saying they've not been made aware of the allegations, but that they deny the allegations, and that the allegations are politically motivat

X are simultaneously saying they've not been made aware of the allegations, but that they deny the allegations, and that the allegations are politically motivated.

retinaros 1y ago
they are politically motivated. french gov wants a far-left researcher to investigate the algorithm. this guy was also famous for building a “leaveX” movement in france and there was a debate on the ties with CNRS and on wether they used public funding to campaign against X. “ French authorities have requested access to X’s recommendation algorithm and real-time data about all user posts on the platform in order for several “experts” to analyze the data and purportedly “uncover the truth” about the operation of the X platform. One of those “experts” is David Chavalarias, who spearheads the “Escape X” campaign. Formerly known as “HelloQuitteX”, the campaign is dedicated to encouraging X users to leave the platform. A second “expert,” Maziyar Panahi, has previously participated in research projects with David Chavalarias that demonstrate open hostility towards X.”
- archagon 1y ago
  Please define “far left.”
  - retinaros 1y ago
    the one that is banned in south korea, indonesia, georgia, slovakia, hungary, croatia, poland , czech republic, lithuania, ukraine
    - LightBug1 1y ago
      Horses for courses ... Considering the prevalence of far right figures in politics right now then, if you're correct, I'd take that one on the chin. Want a more balanced approach? Don't have 4chan ass kisser as your CEO.
      - retinaros 1y ago
        4chan is a vast website with hundreds of communities. One or two are far right leaning and very extreme for sure. The integrality of reddit is left leaning with moderators actively suppressing thoughts and speech that does not align with the beliefs of the Company and the left. For instance criticizing immigration policies would get you banned on reddit. Same for the prevalence of far right figures. I am not seeing this prevalence. Most of european union elected governements that are pro immigration, left leaning, pushing a bigger state interventionism in our daily lives under this premise that far right is prevalent. I am not seeing it. X is one social network that indeed does not suppress some of the far right opinions. All the others social media are mostly left leaning and leaving content that is blatantly racist but targeting only one kind of people that they deemed ok to discriminate based on some crazy ideas that you cannot be racist against a majority.
        LightBug1 1y ago
        "i ain't reading all that. im happy for you tho, or sorry that happened."
        retinaros 1y ago
        “If you want to keep a secret, you must also hide it from yourself.”
        LightBug1 1y ago
        "The irony. The irony..." - Colonel Walter E. Kurt
- aredox 1y ago
  How dare that person enable people to leave a toxic social media platform! Clearly he is a far left saboteur, a Stalinist who want to burn the world and send people to gulags! Only people who have no opinion on twitter and "Roman salute" Musk should be allowed to have a look at his algorithms!
  - retinaros 1y ago
    The problem is the cherrypicking by activists like you. Please find me a social media platform that is not toxic. X is literally the best one with fact checking features. If you think instagram tiktok and snapshat or even onlyfan are not a worse evil you already lost.
    - Akasazh 1y ago
      Nice try Elon
alexb_ 1y ago
Ah, the good ol' "Epstein Strategy"
motorest 1y ago
> X are simultaneously saying they've not been made aware of the allegations, but that they deny the allegations, and that the allegations are politically motivated. What a time we live in, where things like antisemitism and supremacist views are framed as mere political inclinations that are unreasonably threatened by other people, even minorities, having rights.
mcbrit 1y ago
Yes? That is just obviously correct given the judicial system for hundreds of years. I get why you are outraged, but also: inform yourself. This is exactly what even minimally competent defense does and should look like.
gruez 1y ago
>X are simultaneously saying they've not been made aware of the allegations You're trying to imply there's some contradiction between the three statements, but there really isn't. For one, X never claimed "they've not been made aware of the allegations". The exact wording used in the article was "it “remains in the dark” about the specific allegations", which is different than not being aware of the allegations at all. Moreover it's not contradictory to deny allegations that you're not aware of the specifics about. For instance, if someone accused you of saying a racist thing, but didn't reference a specific incident, it'd be pretty reasonable to both claim you're "in the dark about the specific allegations", and to deny it. It'd also be reasonable to claim it's politically motivated, if for instance it was coming from someone you had beef with.
- mcbrit 1y ago
  Louisiana is the only jurisdiction which does not adhere to the general rule that a defendant may rely, in a criminal prosecution, upon inconsistent defenses. (In other words: prove it. I get as many counterexamples as my lawyers can dream .) Robert T. McGraw, Criminal Law: The Use of Inconsistent Defenses, 26 Marq. L. Rev. 167 (1942).
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  - mcbrit 1y ago
    France is from the legal past that the US emerged from and it's a criminal prosecution so seems relevant. Offering inconsistent defense has got to be thing in France, particularly during criminal prosecution.
    - aredox 1y ago
      >France is from the legal past that the US emerged from The French legal system has been completely revamped by Napoleon far after the US independence, and has been so successful that countries invaded by Napoleon have retained his system after being freed from him. Meanwhile the us system is still based on a mediaeval system where nothing is ever certain and everything depends on how good a lawyer you can pay.

X are simultaneously saying they've not been made aware of the allegations, but that they deny the allegations, and that the allegations are politically motivated.

retinaros 1y ago

they are politically motivated. french gov wants a far-left researcher to investigate the algorithm. this guy was also famous for building a “leaveX” movement in france and there was a debate on the ties with CNRS and on wether they used public funding to campaign against X. “ French authorities have requested access to X’s recommendation algorithm and real-time data about all user posts on the platform in order for several “experts” to analyze the data and purportedly “uncover the truth” about the operation of the X platform. One of those “experts” is David Chavalarias, who spearheads the “Escape X” campaign. Formerly known as “HelloQuitteX”, the campaign is dedicated to encouraging X users to leave the platform. A second “expert,” Maziyar Panahi, has previously participated in research projects with David Chavalarias that demonstrate open hostility towards X.”

archagon 1y ago
Please define “far left.”
- retinaros 1y ago
  the one that is banned in south korea, indonesia, georgia, slovakia, hungary, croatia, poland , czech republic, lithuania, ukraine
  - LightBug1 1y ago
    Horses for courses ... Considering the prevalence of far right figures in politics right now then, if you're correct, I'd take that one on the chin. Want a more balanced approach? Don't have 4chan ass kisser as your CEO.
    - retinaros 1y ago
      4chan is a vast website with hundreds of communities. One or two are far right leaning and very extreme for sure. The integrality of reddit is left leaning with moderators actively suppressing thoughts and speech that does not align with the beliefs of the Company and the left. For instance criticizing immigration policies would get you banned on reddit. Same for the prevalence of far right figures. I am not seeing this prevalence. Most of european union elected governements that are pro immigration, left leaning, pushing a bigger state interventionism in our daily lives under this premise that far right is prevalent. I am not seeing it. X is one social network that indeed does not suppress some of the far right opinions. All the others social media are mostly left leaning and leaving content that is blatantly racist but targeting only one kind of people that they deemed ok to discriminate based on some crazy ideas that you cannot be racist against a majority.
      - LightBug1 1y ago
        "i ain't reading all that. im happy for you tho, or sorry that happened."
        retinaros 1y ago
        “If you want to keep a secret, you must also hide it from yourself.”
        LightBug1 1y ago
        "The irony. The irony..." - Colonel Walter E. Kurt
aredox 1y ago
How dare that person enable people to leave a toxic social media platform! Clearly he is a far left saboteur, a Stalinist who want to burn the world and send people to gulags! Only people who have no opinion on twitter and "Roman salute" Musk should be allowed to have a look at his algorithms!
- retinaros 1y ago
  The problem is the cherrypicking by activists like you. Please find me a social media platform that is not toxic. X is literally the best one with fact checking features. If you think instagram tiktok and snapshat or even onlyfan are not a worse evil you already lost.
  - Akasazh 1y ago
    Nice try Elon

alexb_ 1y ago

Ah, the good ol' "Epstein Strategy"

motorest 1y ago

> X are simultaneously saying they've not been made aware of the allegations, but that they deny the allegations, and that the allegations are politically motivated. What a time we live in, where things like antisemitism and supremacist views are framed as mere political inclinations that are unreasonably threatened by other people, even minorities, having rights.

mcbrit 1y ago

Yes? That is just obviously correct given the judicial system for hundreds of years. I get why you are outraged, but also: inform yourself. This is exactly what even minimally competent defense does and should look like.

gruez 1y ago

>X are simultaneously saying they've not been made aware of the allegations You're trying to imply there's some contradiction between the three statements, but there really isn't. For one, X never claimed "they've not been made aware of the allegations". The exact wording used in the article was "it “remains in the dark” about the specific allegations", which is different than not being aware of the allegations at all. Moreover it's not contradictory to deny allegations that you're not aware of the specifics about. For instance, if someone accused you of saying a racist thing, but didn't reference a specific incident, it'd be pretty reasonable to both claim you're "in the dark about the specific allegations", and to deny it. It'd also be reasonable to claim it's politically motivated, if for instance it was coming from someone you had beef with.

mcbrit 1y ago
Louisiana is the only jurisdiction which does not adhere to the general rule that a defendant may rely, in a criminal prosecution, upon inconsistent defenses. (In other words: prove it. I get as many counterexamples as my lawyers can dream .) Robert T. McGraw, Criminal Law: The Use of Inconsistent Defenses, 26 Marq. L. Rev. 167 (1942).
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- mcbrit 1y ago
  France is from the legal past that the US emerged from and it's a criminal prosecution so seems relevant. Offering inconsistent defense has got to be thing in France, particularly during criminal prosecution.
  - aredox 1y ago
    >France is from the legal past that the US emerged from The French legal system has been completely revamped by Napoleon far after the US independence, and has been so successful that countries invaded by Napoleon have retained his system after being freed from him. Meanwhile the us system is still based on a mediaeval system where nothing is ever certain and everything depends on how good a lawyer you can pay.