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>It's not Islamophobic to pick on Islam, if the acts done in the name of Islam really are worse than those done in the name of some other faith. It will take a

by batista 14y ago

>It's not Islamophobic to pick on Islam, if the acts done in the name of Islam really are worse than those done in the name of some other faith. It will take a while for the crimes made in the name of Christianity to match the crimes done under Islam. And even more time for it to match the crimes made in the name of Western superiority. Last time I checked, no muslim country has dropped two A bombs in 300,000 civilians.

lmm 14y ago
>It will take a while for the crimes made in the name of Christianity to match the crimes done under Islam. Well, Christianity had a 600-year head start. But for those of us who care about preventing evils today rather than counting the historical scores, there is more work to be done regarding Islam. >And even more time for it to match the crimes made in the name of Western superiority. Last time I checked, no muslim country has dropped two A bombs in 300,000 civilians. No-one pretends that was about western superiority - just about killing them without losing our own soldiers. And using an inflated number (IIRC the accepted historical count is about 230,000, including military) only harms your argument.
- batista 14y ago
  >No-one pretends that was about western superiority - just about killing them without losing our own soldiers. Why? Are civillians targets to be killed in a war? "Killing them without losing our own soldiers" is the worst thing I've ever heard --really can justify just about anything. In every other name, this is a war crime (as was Dresden). End of story. >And using an inflated number (IIRC the accepted historical count is about 230,000, including military) only harms your argument. Yes, I can see how 300,000 vs 230,000 changes the core of the issue. /s
  - lmm 14y ago
    >"Killing them without losing our own soldiers" is the worst thing I've ever heard --really can justify just about anything. In every other name, this is a war crime (as was Dresden). Suppose you're right. The point is still that it had nothing to do with western superiority or promoting the skeptical worldview.
wapper 14y ago
You might want to google "mughal" and read through the first few links. If you're into comparing death tolls. If not, why don't you scientifically get yourself the factual answer to a few simple questions: -> what is the difference between islam and sharia ? -> does allah literally says women are half a man's worth ? -> does islam allow slavery ? -> does islam allow a slave owner to kill slaves on a whim ? -> does islam allow forcible rape of slaves ? -> starting at what age ?
- batista 14y ago
  >If not, why don't you scientifically get yourself the factual answer to a few simple questions: And what makes you think that I don't know the factual answers already? >-> what is the difference between islam and sharia ? Sharia is the law of islam. Which doesn't mean much in practice, since a muslim does not always follow it. More importantly, sharia is not enforced as state law in most muslim countries. So, no, the two are not one of the same. Not to mention that there are several interpretations of it. >* -> does allah literally says women are half a man's worth ?* Does it matter? You can find equally stupid things in the Bible (not to mention in present day Bible Belt). What do you personally know about how women are treated in a REAL marriage in a muslim country, not what their holy book says, or what you can see in some stories perpetuated in western media? How many muslim friends do you have? Have you lived in an muslim country? Between educated muslims or muslim living in modern cities, I see hard working people, going through the same shit that us in the West do, and with more or less the same kind of relationships. I also see their kids going to school (male AND female). I cannot speak about muslims living in remote rural areas, backwaters, or the desert, because I have not witnessed them. That said, I doubt they'd be very different from people in any other remote rural or backwater area. Wasn't it like 50 years ago that blacks couldn't ride in front of the bus in the South, or stay in certain hotels? Wasn't it like 50 years ago that Turing was punished for being gay? Why do we insist that poor people living in huts and tin houses in the middle of Africa or Asia must follow the exactly state of advancement that we only recently achieved, despite us having a far greater head-start? -> does islam allow slavery ? Does the bible does it? Because the slavery of several million blacks in the US was done by Christians. And the same for the slavery and extermination of 40 million indian tribes living in the South and North US. And the appartheid thing? White christian guys there too. Even more so, it was the "civilised", western nations, like England, Holland, Belgium, France and such that enslaved billions of people in the colonial era, with some continuing even now, if now with outright colonies, then with protectorates, appointed political friends and political pressure. -> does islam allow a slave owner to kill slaves on a whim ? -> does islam allow forcible rape of slaves ? -> starting at what age ? It doesn't matter what islam says. It matters what an islamic community does. Slave raping and killing slaves was prevalent in the US South, and they were supposedly devout Christians. Even one of the founding fathers has had children with one of his female slaves, which, taking into account that he was their owner and had the power, can only be considered as products of rape.

by batista 14y ago

lmm 14y ago

>It will take a while for the crimes made in the name of Christianity to match the crimes done under Islam. Well, Christianity had a 600-year head start. But for those of us who care about preventing evils today rather than counting the historical scores, there is more work to be done regarding Islam. >And even more time for it to match the crimes made in the name of Western superiority. Last time I checked, no muslim country has dropped two A bombs in 300,000 civilians. No-one pretends that was about western superiority - just about killing them without losing our own soldiers. And using an inflated number (IIRC the accepted historical count is about 230,000, including military) only harms your argument.

batista 14y ago
>No-one pretends that was about western superiority - just about killing them without losing our own soldiers. Why? Are civillians targets to be killed in a war? "Killing them without losing our own soldiers" is the worst thing I've ever heard --really can justify just about anything. In every other name, this is a war crime (as was Dresden). End of story. >And using an inflated number (IIRC the accepted historical count is about 230,000, including military) only harms your argument. Yes, I can see how 300,000 vs 230,000 changes the core of the issue. /s
- lmm 14y ago
  >"Killing them without losing our own soldiers" is the worst thing I've ever heard --really can justify just about anything. In every other name, this is a war crime (as was Dresden). Suppose you're right. The point is still that it had nothing to do with western superiority or promoting the skeptical worldview.

wapper 14y ago

You might want to google "mughal" and read through the first few links. If you're into comparing death tolls. If not, why don't you scientifically get yourself the factual answer to a few simple questions: -> what is the difference between islam and sharia ? -> does allah literally says women are half a man's worth ? -> does islam allow slavery ? -> does islam allow a slave owner to kill slaves on a whim ? -> does islam allow forcible rape of slaves ? -> starting at what age ?

batista 14y ago
>If not, why don't you scientifically get yourself the factual answer to a few simple questions: And what makes you think that I don't know the factual answers already? >-> what is the difference between islam and sharia ? Sharia is the law of islam. Which doesn't mean much in practice, since a muslim does not always follow it. More importantly, sharia is not enforced as state law in most muslim countries. So, no, the two are not one of the same. Not to mention that there are several interpretations of it. >* -> does allah literally says women are half a man's worth ?* Does it matter? You can find equally stupid things in the Bible (not to mention in present day Bible Belt). What do you personally know about how women are treated in a REAL marriage in a muslim country, not what their holy book says, or what you can see in some stories perpetuated in western media? How many muslim friends do you have? Have you lived in an muslim country? Between educated muslims or muslim living in modern cities, I see hard working people, going through the same shit that us in the West do, and with more or less the same kind of relationships. I also see their kids going to school (male AND female). I cannot speak about muslims living in remote rural areas, backwaters, or the desert, because I have not witnessed them. That said, I doubt they'd be very different from people in any other remote rural or backwater area. Wasn't it like 50 years ago that blacks couldn't ride in front of the bus in the South, or stay in certain hotels? Wasn't it like 50 years ago that Turing was punished for being gay? Why do we insist that poor people living in huts and tin houses in the middle of Africa or Asia must follow the exactly state of advancement that we only recently achieved, despite us having a far greater head-start? -> does islam allow slavery ? Does the bible does it? Because the slavery of several million blacks in the US was done by Christians. And the same for the slavery and extermination of 40 million indian tribes living in the South and North US. And the appartheid thing? White christian guys there too. Even more so, it was the "civilised", western nations, like England, Holland, Belgium, France and such that enslaved billions of people in the colonial era, with some continuing even now, if now with outright colonies, then with protectorates, appointed political friends and political pressure. -> does islam allow a slave owner to kill slaves on a whim ? -> does islam allow forcible rape of slaves ? -> starting at what age ? It doesn't matter what islam says. It matters what an islamic community does. Slave raping and killing slaves was prevalent in the US South, and they were supposedly devout Christians. Even one of the founding fathers has had children with one of his female slaves, which, taking into account that he was their owner and had the power, can only be considered as products of rape.