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> Building regulations in some EU countries forbid installation of split AC units period is not true for Germany and Austria at least. And none of the things t

by detaro 1y ago

> Building regulations in some EU countries forbid installation of split AC units period is not true for Germany and Austria at least. And none of the things that make it difficult are related to "greenwashing propaganda that their sacrifice of personal comfort is "for the environment"". (indeed I'd rather argue that the anti-green pushback is hurting the rollout of AC)

seszett 1y ago
I think they're talking about how it's usually forbidden to install an exterior unit that blows towards the windows of a neighbour or a visible unit on the façade of a historical building. Maybe all of this is allowed in the US, but it's not a factor for the low penetration of AC in Europe anyway.
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  The law is for the facade of all buildings not just historical ones. You aren't allowed to alter it since it's common property, not your own.
  - detaro 1y ago
    You need the owners permission. In the specific case of a building where different people own different apartments, that's the owners assembly for the outside. That's not the same as it being forbidden by regulations, and not particularly specific to European countries. Fairly sure if you own a condo in the US they'll also have their own rules about what you are allowed to do to parts of the building outside your unit and a voting process for exceptions and changing it. And obviously ownership law like that has nothing to do with "greenwashing propaganda". Some areas can have local restrictions facade design, but that's neither universal nor something that can't be mitigated.
  - seszett 1y ago
    That's not true at all. Individual or terraced houses are not "common property" and owners are free to install what they want. Apartments buildings with multiple owners are governed by a "syndic" that is comparable to American HOAs (as far as I understand HOAs) and they can put restrictions on AC installations if a majority of owners agree. Usually the most annoying part is that you need to wait a couple of weeks for permission to drill through the exterior wall (which is common property obviously).

by detaro 1y ago

seszett 1y ago

I think they're talking about how it's usually forbidden to install an exterior unit that blows towards the windows of a neighbour or a visible unit on the façade of a historical building. Maybe all of this is allowed in the US, but it's not a factor for the low penetration of AC in Europe anyway.

FirmwareBurner 1y ago
The law is for the facade of all buildings not just historical ones. You aren't allowed to alter it since it's common property, not your own.
- detaro 1y ago
  You need the owners permission. In the specific case of a building where different people own different apartments, that's the owners assembly for the outside. That's not the same as it being forbidden by regulations, and not particularly specific to European countries. Fairly sure if you own a condo in the US they'll also have their own rules about what you are allowed to do to parts of the building outside your unit and a voting process for exceptions and changing it. And obviously ownership law like that has nothing to do with "greenwashing propaganda". Some areas can have local restrictions facade design, but that's neither universal nor something that can't be mitigated.
- seszett 1y ago
  That's not true at all. Individual or terraced houses are not "common property" and owners are free to install what they want. Apartments buildings with multiple owners are governed by a "syndic" that is comparable to American HOAs (as far as I understand HOAs) and they can put restrictions on AC installations if a majority of owners agree. Usually the most annoying part is that you need to wait a couple of weeks for permission to drill through the exterior wall (which is common property obviously).