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As far as I can tell, it's also illegal to install split systems in the US when it's not done by a professional so I'm not sure what you guys are ranting about.

As far as I can tell, it's also illegal to install split systems in the US when it's not done by a professional so I'm not sure what you guys are ranting about. The main reason why EU has few AC installations is that the climate is generally much more temperate than the US or Asia and until the last decade it made no sense to have AC when outside temperature rarely went above 27°C or so in the summer.

FirmwareBurner 1y ago
>it's also illegal to install split systems in the US when it's not done by a professional Where did you see me arguing this? Split ACs must everywhere be installed by professionals, I never said they don't. You missed the point completely. Building regulations in some EU countries forbid installation of split AC units period, even by professionals because you're not allowed to do modifications to the outer walls and facade, even if you're a owner, let alone a tenant. >until the last decade it made no sense to have AC when outside temperature rarely went above 27°C or so in the summer It makes no sense to not let people adapt their residences to the new environmental conditions.
- detaro 1y ago
  What are some of these "some EU countries"?
  - dns_snek 1y ago
    The only legitimate examples I can think of are restrictions on installing public-facing split ACs. Usually these restrictions are highly localized and only apply to historic buildings in larger cities. I've only been able to find a source for recently instituted rules in Croatia: https://www.croatiaweek.com/new-rules-on-where-you-can-install-air-conditioners-in-croatia-clarified/ https://www.croatiaweek.com/new-rules-on-where-you-can-insta...
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
    France, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, ...
    - detaro 1y ago
      > Building regulations in some EU countries forbid installation of split AC units period is not true for Germany and Austria at least. And none of the things that make it difficult are related to "greenwashing propaganda that their sacrifice of personal comfort is "for the environment"". (indeed I'd rather argue that the anti-green pushback is hurting the rollout of AC)
      - seszett 1y ago
        I think they're talking about how it's usually forbidden to install an exterior unit that blows towards the windows of a neighbour or a visible unit on the façade of a historical building. Maybe all of this is allowed in the US, but it's not a factor for the low penetration of AC in Europe anyway.
        FirmwareBurner 1y ago
        The law is for the facade of all buildings not just historical ones. You aren't allowed to alter it since it's common property, not your own.
        detaro 1y ago
        You need the owners permission. In the specific case of a building where different people own different apartments, that's the owners assembly for the outside. That's not the same as it being forbidden by regulations, and not particularly specific to European countries. Fairly sure if you own a condo in the US they'll also have their own rules about what you are allowed to do to parts of the building outside your unit and a voting process for exceptions and changing it. And obviously ownership law like that has nothing to do with "greenwashing propaganda". Some areas can have local restrictions facade design, but that's neither universal nor something that can't be mitigated.
nullc 1y ago
> As far as I can tell, it's also illegal to install split systems in the US when it's not done by a professional Split systems are sold OTC in chain home improvement stores here in California, and are ordinarily self installed. Perhaps there is some regulation somewhere in the US god knows, but if so there is little to no enforcement of it.

FirmwareBurner 1y ago

>it's also illegal to install split systems in the US when it's not done by a professional Where did you see me arguing this? Split ACs must everywhere be installed by professionals, I never said they don't. You missed the point completely. Building regulations in some EU countries forbid installation of split AC units period, even by professionals because you're not allowed to do modifications to the outer walls and facade, even if you're a owner, let alone a tenant. >until the last decade it made no sense to have AC when outside temperature rarely went above 27°C or so in the summer It makes no sense to not let people adapt their residences to the new environmental conditions.

detaro 1y ago
What are some of these "some EU countries"?
- dns_snek 1y ago
  The only legitimate examples I can think of are restrictions on installing public-facing split ACs. Usually these restrictions are highly localized and only apply to historic buildings in larger cities. I've only been able to find a source for recently instituted rules in Croatia: https://www.croatiaweek.com/new-rules-on-where-you-can-install-air-conditioners-in-croatia-clarified/ https://www.croatiaweek.com/new-rules-on-where-you-can-insta...
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  France, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, ...
  - detaro 1y ago
    > Building regulations in some EU countries forbid installation of split AC units period is not true for Germany and Austria at least. And none of the things that make it difficult are related to "greenwashing propaganda that their sacrifice of personal comfort is "for the environment"". (indeed I'd rather argue that the anti-green pushback is hurting the rollout of AC)
    - seszett 1y ago
      I think they're talking about how it's usually forbidden to install an exterior unit that blows towards the windows of a neighbour or a visible unit on the façade of a historical building. Maybe all of this is allowed in the US, but it's not a factor for the low penetration of AC in Europe anyway.
      - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
        The law is for the facade of all buildings not just historical ones. You aren't allowed to alter it since it's common property, not your own.
        detaro 1y ago
        You need the owners permission. In the specific case of a building where different people own different apartments, that's the owners assembly for the outside. That's not the same as it being forbidden by regulations, and not particularly specific to European countries. Fairly sure if you own a condo in the US they'll also have their own rules about what you are allowed to do to parts of the building outside your unit and a voting process for exceptions and changing it. And obviously ownership law like that has nothing to do with "greenwashing propaganda". Some areas can have local restrictions facade design, but that's neither universal nor something that can't be mitigated.

nullc 1y ago

> As far as I can tell, it's also illegal to install split systems in the US when it's not done by a professional Split systems are sold OTC in chain home improvement stores here in California, and are ordinarily self installed. Perhaps there is some regulation somewhere in the US god knows, but if so there is little to no enforcement of it.