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Maybe it is (mine is for sure) but that's a "bitten by the dog once" case. You got bitten and everyone around you assures you won't get bitten again, but the p

by xlii 1y ago

Maybe it is (mine is for sure) but that's a "bitten by the dog once" case. You got bitten and everyone around you assures you won't get bitten again, but the pain was real and you still have a scar from the event. Why bother or invest risking another bite if there are other places to be which had never bitten before. Over my career I hated technology 3 times. First was PHP, second was Python during Python 2/3 fiasco and third was CoffeeScript. Edit: till this day one of my favorite meme is titled "PHP: Training wheels without a bike"

yjftsjthsd-h 1y ago
A few years ago, I used BTRFS on a laptop. Single disk, no RAID of any kind, OpenSUSE (which favored BTRFS, so I expected it to be as well supported as could be had), nothing fancy. After losing the root filesystem twice, I decided that maybe I shouldn't trust BTRFS. Since then, I've been told that it's totally better now, that all the problems are with bad RAID setups, and it's safe and won't lose my data. Anyways, as I type this from a laptop running on ZFS, I remain somewhat cautious.
- jiggawatts 1y ago
  > Since then, I've been told that it's totally better now I've read through some bug reports, and I assure you that BTRFS remains a horror show. Saying that comments from the dev team "don't inspire confidence" is putting it mildly. ZFS is the diametric opposite of this, where blog posts from the team working on it made me realise that they're moving the state of the art into new territory.
  - johnisgood 1y ago
    I really want to try bcachefs, I wonder if anyone has used it (with encryption, and if their encryption supports plausible deniability or not). BTW, is ZFS on Linux good now?
    - chasil 1y ago
      Bcachfs has been removed from Linux. https://forums.truenas.com/t/bcachefs-dropped-from-linux-6-17/47287 https://forums.truenas.com/t/bcachefs-dropped-from-linux-6-1... ZFS is an install option on Ubuntu. Running it taints the kernel.
    - whatevaa 1y ago
      ZFS on linux native encryption is kinda unmaintained at this point, so I would not recommend it.
em-bee 1y ago
from my experience the primary problem with PHP was not the language itself (although the design was/is somewhat quirky/inconsistent) but with the large influx of inexperienced programmers using it, creating low quality code and thus affecting the reputation of the language. same with javascript today. i haven't heard any issues about coffeescript. with that in mind, i'd love to hear your stories. how did you get bitten?
- lexicality 1y ago
  As someone that used Coffeescript a bunch, the problem is it's designed to make it very easy to write code, but has very little thought given to being able to understand that code again in 6 months time. This means it's very easy to knock out an entire project in record time, but subsequently very difficult to debug/maintain/update the same project when you come back to it. It's essentially a technical debt generator.
  - johnisgood 1y ago
    This is why I have DEVELOPER.md. It explains why I chose X over Y, among many other things. Someone wrote a nice list: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44581069 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44581069.
    - lexicality 1y ago
      That's a nice idea, but the problem more comes from using a language designed to help you get ideas from your head into production using the fewest possible characters results in extremely terse code. You can say all sorts of things around "write better documentation" and so on, but step 1 really is "don't use a code golfing language"
      - johnisgood 1y ago
        I do not disagree. In DEVELOPER.md you are not supposed to have an intro to the language you picked.
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itslennysfault 1y ago
I went through your exact same hate timeline. The CoffeeScript one was so bad that I was REALLY hesitant about TypeScript, but the whole "it's a superset of JS" thing won me over in the end. I still hate PHP the most, and I very much mean PHP 5 when I say that, and have no idea what happened beyond that, and honestly the scars are so deep I don't care to find out.

by xlii 1y ago

yjftsjthsd-h 1y ago

A few years ago, I used BTRFS on a laptop. Single disk, no RAID of any kind, OpenSUSE (which favored BTRFS, so I expected it to be as well supported as could be had), nothing fancy. After losing the root filesystem twice, I decided that maybe I shouldn't trust BTRFS. Since then, I've been told that it's totally better now, that all the problems are with bad RAID setups, and it's safe and won't lose my data. Anyways, as I type this from a laptop running on ZFS, I remain somewhat cautious.

jiggawatts 1y ago
> Since then, I've been told that it's totally better now I've read through some bug reports, and I assure you that BTRFS remains a horror show. Saying that comments from the dev team "don't inspire confidence" is putting it mildly. ZFS is the diametric opposite of this, where blog posts from the team working on it made me realise that they're moving the state of the art into new territory.
- johnisgood 1y ago
  I really want to try bcachefs, I wonder if anyone has used it (with encryption, and if their encryption supports plausible deniability or not). BTW, is ZFS on Linux good now?
  - chasil 1y ago
    Bcachfs has been removed from Linux. https://forums.truenas.com/t/bcachefs-dropped-from-linux-6-17/47287 https://forums.truenas.com/t/bcachefs-dropped-from-linux-6-1... ZFS is an install option on Ubuntu. Running it taints the kernel.
  - whatevaa 1y ago
    ZFS on linux native encryption is kinda unmaintained at this point, so I would not recommend it.

em-bee 1y ago

from my experience the primary problem with PHP was not the language itself (although the design was/is somewhat quirky/inconsistent) but with the large influx of inexperienced programmers using it, creating low quality code and thus affecting the reputation of the language. same with javascript today. i haven't heard any issues about coffeescript. with that in mind, i'd love to hear your stories. how did you get bitten?

lexicality 1y ago
As someone that used Coffeescript a bunch, the problem is it's designed to make it very easy to write code, but has very little thought given to being able to understand that code again in 6 months time. This means it's very easy to knock out an entire project in record time, but subsequently very difficult to debug/maintain/update the same project when you come back to it. It's essentially a technical debt generator.
- johnisgood 1y ago
  This is why I have DEVELOPER.md. It explains why I chose X over Y, among many other things. Someone wrote a nice list: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44581069 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44581069.
  - lexicality 1y ago
    That's a nice idea, but the problem more comes from using a language designed to help you get ideas from your head into production using the fewest possible characters results in extremely terse code. You can say all sorts of things around "write better documentation" and so on, but step 1 really is "don't use a code golfing language"
    - johnisgood 1y ago
      I do not disagree. In DEVELOPER.md you are not supposed to have an intro to the language you picked.
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itslennysfault 1y ago

I went through your exact same hate timeline. The CoffeeScript one was so bad that I was REALLY hesitant about TypeScript, but the whole "it's a superset of JS" thing won me over in the end. I still hate PHP the most, and I very much mean PHP 5 when I say that, and have no idea what happened beyond that, and honestly the scars are so deep I don't care to find out.