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I have no idea what this service is, but clicking around on their site they mention it's 18+, that they don't allow "Child pornography, Sexualized depictions of

by beejiu 1y ago

I have no idea what this service is, but clicking around on their site they mention it's 18+, that they don't allow "Child pornography, Sexualized depictions of minors, Heavy gore, Bestiality, Sexual violence". I don't agree with everything in the Online Safety Act, but if anything needed a risk assessment, it's surely this?

strken 1y ago
They appear to be objecting to the scope and extreme cost of the risk assessment rather than its existence.
- beejiu 1y ago
  They're in scope because they provide a pornographic service, I don't see that is arguable. If you don't have the competence in house to follow the guidelines and need to hire expensive lawyers, then yes it's an "extreme cost", but that's not true of all businesses.
  - dbetteridge 1y ago
    But that's the whole complaint, the overhead of compliance with the law (not necessarily the controls on protecting minors themselves but just the legal burden) is so high as to be untenable for anyone but big corps.
skissane 1y ago
From what I understand, it is just giving people access to AI models with minimal censorship - so illegal content [0] is still disallowed, but otherwise you can do what you want. And I’m sure a lot of that will be sexual material, but that’s more about the nature of the market demand for uncensored AI than anything inherent to the offering in itself [0] “law” here isn’t just laws made by governments, but also regulations made by e.g. Visa and Mastercard
gh2k 1y ago
Agreed. I read the article and I was thinking "this sounds pretty bad", but after clicking through to the main site my experience was "there's no explanation of what this is, but it looks like it probably falls within the need for some form of regulation". Are there services which offer a less... risky... service that are similarly affected here?
- felipeqq2 1y ago
  Lobste.rs is a tech-focused website quite similar to HN, and it's also affected (although they decided that the risks of legal action are low enough to avoid geoblocking UK users entirely). You can read their community discussion at https://lobste.rs/s/ukosa1/uk_users_lobsters_needs_your_help_with https://lobste.rs/s/ukosa1/uk_users_lobsters_needs_your_help...

by beejiu 1y ago

strken 1y ago

They appear to be objecting to the scope and extreme cost of the risk assessment rather than its existence.

beejiu 1y ago
They're in scope because they provide a pornographic service, I don't see that is arguable. If you don't have the competence in house to follow the guidelines and need to hire expensive lawyers, then yes it's an "extreme cost", but that's not true of all businesses.
- dbetteridge 1y ago
  But that's the whole complaint, the overhead of compliance with the law (not necessarily the controls on protecting minors themselves but just the legal burden) is so high as to be untenable for anyone but big corps.

skissane 1y ago

From what I understand, it is just giving people access to AI models with minimal censorship - so illegal content [0] is still disallowed, but otherwise you can do what you want. And I’m sure a lot of that will be sexual material, but that’s more about the nature of the market demand for uncensored AI than anything inherent to the offering in itself [0] “law” here isn’t just laws made by governments, but also regulations made by e.g. Visa and Mastercard

gh2k 1y ago

Agreed. I read the article and I was thinking "this sounds pretty bad", but after clicking through to the main site my experience was "there's no explanation of what this is, but it looks like it probably falls within the need for some form of regulation". Are there services which offer a less... risky... service that are similarly affected here?

felipeqq2 1y ago
Lobste.rs is a tech-focused website quite similar to HN, and it's also affected (although they decided that the risks of legal action are low enough to avoid geoblocking UK users entirely). You can read their community discussion at https://lobste.rs/s/ukosa1/uk_users_lobsters_needs_your_help_with https://lobste.rs/s/ukosa1/uk_users_lobsters_needs_your_help...