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A Push for More Organ Transplants Is Putting Donors at Risk

14 points by jonas21 1y ago

MattGaiser 1y ago
When people oppose adding technology and AI to the mix, they often do it under the assumption that human judgement is generally of high quality. > Another study, although small, found that when doctors predicted in the first 72 hours that a patient would not recover from a traumatic brain injury, they were frequently wrong. As evidenced here, it is not. I am all onboard with not letting AI pull the plug by itself, but adding it in the mix with the mediocre humans as an "are you sure?" check seems like it should be a priority.
- sebmellen 1y ago
  AI is so far down the list of what needs to be fixed here. This is a social problem. If you introduce some opaque “AI” measurement scale, you make this easier to obfuscate and juice.
PaulHoule 1y ago
I decided not be an organ donor years ago because I didn't trust the system.
- MattGaiser 1y ago
  > Dr. Robert Cannon, a transplant surgeon at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, said he believed the system was hesitant to confront safety lapses during circulatory death donations, out of fear that people would stop donating. The irony, as they chose not to fix this for that reason. I understand why people cover things up for that reason, but what I don't understand is why they expect to keep it under wraps forever, making fixing it a priority.
h4kunamata 1y ago
I read a news some time ago where a guy was organ donor and the docs wanted to literally kill the guy to take his organs lmao He stopped being organ donor the same day.
- rattus_rattus 1y ago
  Could you please provide a link to your source? This is a very extreme claim to make without a single citation.
  - BalinKing 1y ago
    The article (IIRC) doesn’t mention any cases exactly like that, but the general phenomenon seems to be real: > Workers in several states said they had seen coordinators persuading hospital clinicians to administer morphine, propofol and other drugs to hasten the death of potential donors.

14 points by jonas21 1y ago

When people oppose adding technology and AI to the mix, they often do it under the assumption that human judgement is generally of high quality. > Another study, although small, found that when doctors predicted in the first 72 hours that a patient would not recover from a traumatic brain injury, they were frequently wrong. As evidenced here, it is not. I am all onboard with not letting AI pull the plug by itself, but adding it in the mix with the mediocre humans as an "are you sure?" check seems like it should be a priority.

sebmellen 1y ago
AI is so far down the list of what needs to be fixed here. This is a social problem. If you introduce some opaque “AI” measurement scale, you make this easier to obfuscate and juice.

PaulHoule 1y ago

I decided not be an organ donor years ago because I didn't trust the system.

MattGaiser 1y ago
> Dr. Robert Cannon, a transplant surgeon at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, said he believed the system was hesitant to confront safety lapses during circulatory death donations, out of fear that people would stop donating. The irony, as they chose not to fix this for that reason. I understand why people cover things up for that reason, but what I don't understand is why they expect to keep it under wraps forever, making fixing it a priority.

h4kunamata 1y ago

I read a news some time ago where a guy was organ donor and the docs wanted to literally kill the guy to take his organs lmao He stopped being organ donor the same day.

rattus_rattus 1y ago
Could you please provide a link to your source? This is a very extreme claim to make without a single citation.
- BalinKing 1y ago
  The article (IIRC) doesn’t mention any cases exactly like that, but the general phenomenon seems to be real: > Workers in several states said they had seen coordinators persuading hospital clinicians to administer morphine, propofol and other drugs to hasten the death of potential donors.