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> FSD is more reliable Citation needed. And not Tesla’s typical lying with shitty statistics data (fun fact: most car accidents do not happen in places where FS

> FSD is more reliable Citation needed. And not Tesla’s typical lying with shitty statistics data (fun fact: most car accidents do not happen in places where FSD is commonly used). Also, vision-only systems work great… if they’re backed by strong intelligence.

Joel_Mckay 1y ago
Only cameras? I respectfully disagree. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQJL3htsDyQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQJL3htsDyQ
- maxlin 1y ago
  Your previous link was of that old BBC vision test, comparing being safe from danger to being able to see obviously irrelevant details of a video. And now you link that debunked Mark Rober video that literally doesn't even have FSD turned on, while giving the most ridiculous free wins to LIDAR. Talk about writing the tests for the exact limits of a specific system. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhX_fgekpk0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhX_fgekpk0 You're really running out of steam :D
  - Joel_Mckay 1y ago
    Kind of sus, but it is consistent with other reported incidents including at least 1 fatality with FSD. https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/07/business/nhtsa-tesla-smart-summon-probe https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/07/business/nhtsa-tesla-smart-su... Best of luck =3
    - maxlin 1y ago
      "Consistent" comparing a video with a literal billboard of a road in the middle of a road to real life? With the entire FSD feature turned off in the video by the way :D ? And one fatality with the most dangerous general form of transportation we have? And an article about a fancy pants 5 miles a hour park retrieval feature bending a few posts as if it was relevant? Dude I don't need luck, I could roll ten D12 ones in a row and win
      - Joel_Mckay 1y ago
        One of the YT videos is probably incorrect, but other data under less demanding conditions already suggests FSD camera only options don't work as advertised within cities. I'd rather not have drivers playing dice while driving. =3
        maxlin 1y ago
        some data suggests maybe this result in maybe some condition maybe ok
        Joel_Mckay 1y ago
        Tesla always seems to find its telemetry data when they get sued. Some of their customers are less then honorable. lol =3
        maxlin 1y ago
        Company doesn't spread all its private data all over the internet all the time more at 5
maxlin 1y ago
So would you rather have the actual data fed to you by a different parent? Airplane goes brrrr ! https://insideevs.com/news/720730/tesla-autopilot-crash-data-2024q1/ https://insideevs.com/news/720730/tesla-autopilot-crash-data... >fun fact: most car accidents do not happen in places where FSD is commonly used How is that even supposed to in any way be relevant when talking exactly about cases where FSD and similar are used. Sigh. >Also, vision-only systems work great… if they’re backed by strong intelligence. Yes. And I do recognize that "Best, with custom in-house NN hw" might not still be "Strong" on all aspiratory statistics. But its already much above human capability, and regardless if you want to try to say the stats are 2x 3x, even 4x exaggerated, they'd still blow the alternative safety standard out of the water.

Joel_Mckay 1y ago

Only cameras? I respectfully disagree. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQJL3htsDyQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQJL3htsDyQ

maxlin 1y ago
Your previous link was of that old BBC vision test, comparing being safe from danger to being able to see obviously irrelevant details of a video. And now you link that debunked Mark Rober video that literally doesn't even have FSD turned on, while giving the most ridiculous free wins to LIDAR. Talk about writing the tests for the exact limits of a specific system. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhX_fgekpk0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhX_fgekpk0 You're really running out of steam :D
- Joel_Mckay 1y ago
  Kind of sus, but it is consistent with other reported incidents including at least 1 fatality with FSD. https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/07/business/nhtsa-tesla-smart-summon-probe https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/07/business/nhtsa-tesla-smart-su... Best of luck =3
  - maxlin 1y ago
    "Consistent" comparing a video with a literal billboard of a road in the middle of a road to real life? With the entire FSD feature turned off in the video by the way :D ? And one fatality with the most dangerous general form of transportation we have? And an article about a fancy pants 5 miles a hour park retrieval feature bending a few posts as if it was relevant? Dude I don't need luck, I could roll ten D12 ones in a row and win
    - Joel_Mckay 1y ago
      One of the YT videos is probably incorrect, but other data under less demanding conditions already suggests FSD camera only options don't work as advertised within cities. I'd rather not have drivers playing dice while driving. =3
      - maxlin 1y ago
        some data suggests maybe this result in maybe some condition maybe ok
        Joel_Mckay 1y ago
        Tesla always seems to find its telemetry data when they get sued. Some of their customers are less then honorable. lol =3
        maxlin 1y ago
        Company doesn't spread all its private data all over the internet all the time more at 5

maxlin 1y ago

So would you rather have the actual data fed to you by a different parent? Airplane goes brrrr ! https://insideevs.com/news/720730/tesla-autopilot-crash-data-2024q1/ https://insideevs.com/news/720730/tesla-autopilot-crash-data... >fun fact: most car accidents do not happen in places where FSD is commonly used How is that even supposed to in any way be relevant when talking exactly about cases where FSD and similar are used. Sigh. >Also, vision-only systems work great… if they’re backed by strong intelligence. Yes. And I do recognize that "Best, with custom in-house NN hw" might not still be "Strong" on all aspiratory statistics. But its already much above human capability, and regardless if you want to try to say the stats are 2x 3x, even 4x exaggerated, they'd still blow the alternative safety standard out of the water.