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You clearly have a pet issue. Why do you think that it's in any way relevant to the conversation at hand though? Do you seriously think that the main challenge

You clearly have a pet issue. Why do you think that it's in any way relevant to the conversation at hand though? Do you seriously think that the main challenge Tesla is going to face when trying to scale Robotaxi up is that there isn't enough room on the roads for all the Teslas? In a world where there's currently a dozen Robotaxi Teslas per city?

palata 1y ago
> In a world where If you consider that "the world" is "the US". But in countries that did not completely fail their urban planning, public transportation works. Now admittedly the US probably has to compromise because of how it was built. No way the robotaxi works e.g. in Europe. And that's without considering the fact that robotaxis belong to a guy who makes nazi salutes.
- llbbdd 1y ago
  How has the US failed urban planning?
  - general1726 1y ago
    If you are living in US, can you walk to your nearest grocery store?
    - llbbdd 1y ago
      Yes, and I used to live within walking distance to several, and this has been the case everywhere I've lived in the US. However I don't even really think of walkability to grocery stores as a good metric for urban planning - I've since moved and get groceries delivered instead. I don't need to own a car, there are fewer cars on the road doing specific tasks. Good urban planning is flexible around the reality that the physical world is hard to plan and change for.
  - queenkjuul 1y ago
    Countless US cities demolished their downtowns to build parking lots and countless more kicked minorities out of their homes to build highways
- alt227 1y ago
  I feel it is the oppoosite way around. The US is a modern country and was built in grids, incredibly easy to build any kind of transportation network on top of. In Europe, large portions of cities and road networks were built before any kind of engine was even invented, and so it is incredibly difficult to retrofit onto winding lanes and tiny cobbled city streets.
  - palata 1y ago
    The US was built for the individual car. That's what I consider a failure. Maybe it was not obvious back then, but retrospectively I think we can say it is a failure. In cities in Europe, you can actually walk. Many times you're faster by bike than by car. And public transportation works well (plus you can put your bike in the bus/tram/train if necessary). > it is incredibly difficult to retrofit onto winding lanes and tiny cobbled city streets. Agreed. But on top of making them more beautiful, the fact that it's harder to have 6 lanes full of cars is desirable to me.

palata 1y ago

> In a world where If you consider that "the world" is "the US". But in countries that did not completely fail their urban planning, public transportation works. Now admittedly the US probably has to compromise because of how it was built. No way the robotaxi works e.g. in Europe. And that's without considering the fact that robotaxis belong to a guy who makes nazi salutes.

llbbdd 1y ago
How has the US failed urban planning?
- general1726 1y ago
  If you are living in US, can you walk to your nearest grocery store?
  - llbbdd 1y ago
    Yes, and I used to live within walking distance to several, and this has been the case everywhere I've lived in the US. However I don't even really think of walkability to grocery stores as a good metric for urban planning - I've since moved and get groceries delivered instead. I don't need to own a car, there are fewer cars on the road doing specific tasks. Good urban planning is flexible around the reality that the physical world is hard to plan and change for.
- queenkjuul 1y ago
  Countless US cities demolished their downtowns to build parking lots and countless more kicked minorities out of their homes to build highways
alt227 1y ago
I feel it is the oppoosite way around. The US is a modern country and was built in grids, incredibly easy to build any kind of transportation network on top of. In Europe, large portions of cities and road networks were built before any kind of engine was even invented, and so it is incredibly difficult to retrofit onto winding lanes and tiny cobbled city streets.
- palata 1y ago
  The US was built for the individual car. That's what I consider a failure. Maybe it was not obvious back then, but retrospectively I think we can say it is a failure. In cities in Europe, you can actually walk. Many times you're faster by bike than by car. And public transportation works well (plus you can put your bike in the bus/tram/train if necessary). > it is incredibly difficult to retrofit onto winding lanes and tiny cobbled city streets. Agreed. But on top of making them more beautiful, the fact that it's harder to have 6 lanes full of cars is desirable to me.