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I personally can’t wait for programming to ‘die’. It has stolen a decade of my life minimum. Like veterinarians being trained to help pets ultimately finding ou

I personally can’t wait for programming to ‘die’. It has stolen a decade of my life minimum. Like veterinarians being trained to help pets ultimately finding out a huge portion of the job is killing them. I was not sufficiently informed that I’d spend a decade arguing languages, dealing with thousands of other developers with diverging opinions, legacy code, poorly if at all maintained libraries, tools, frameworks, etc if you have been in the game at least a decade please don’t @. Adios to programming as it was (happily welcoming a new DIFFERENT reality whatever that means). Nostalgia is for life, not staring at a screen 8hrs a day

bluefirebrand 1y ago
Feel free to change careers and get lost, no one is forcing you to be a programmer. If you feel it is stealing your life, then please feel free to reclaim your life at any time. Leave the programming to those of us who actually want to do it. We don't want you to be a part of it either
- oblio 1y ago
  Don't be rude.
  - __loam 1y ago
    He's being honest, not rude
    - oblio 1y ago
      Honesty doesn't look like this: > [...] get lost [...] > [..] We don't want you to be a part of it either. [...] He's being rude. Honesty would be, something like: > I (and probably many others) like programming a lot. Even if you're frustrated with it, I think a great deal of people will be sad if somehow programming disappeared completely. It might be best for you if you just found a job that you love more, instead. Also the original comment makes a point that's SUPER valid and anyone working as a professional programmer for 10+ years can't really deny: > poorly if at all maintained libraries, tools, frameworks Most commercial code just sucks due to misaligned incentives. Open Source is better, but not always, as a lot of Open Source code is just commercial code opened up after the fact.
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      - theshackleford 1y ago
        > Honesty doesn't look like this Sure it does. Reads incredibly honestly to me.
        punkspider 1y ago
        Seems both honest and rude, when it could've been honest and understanding. Responding to the original comment with 'get lost' and 'we don't want you either' is not constructive in my opinion.
        bluefirebrand 1y ago
        I'm not sure why anyone expects this conversation to be constructive at this point People who are cheering for LLM coding because they hate actually coding themselves are cheering for programmers to lose their livelihoods I am not going to be polite and constructive to people who don't care if my livelihood is destroyed by their new tools. Why should I? They are cheering for my ruin
        oblio 1y ago
        Or, you know, you could just... say nothing? Downvote and move on. It's not like OP is Sam Altman and one of the actual AI bros. This thing will happen or not happen regardless of what OP wants. Amusingly, you've committed the same basic mistake as LLMs, which just don't know when to shut up :-p
      - Der_Einzige 1y ago
        Rudeness is a good rhetorical choice to make a point. Only stupid idiots would think differently.
        oblio 1y ago
        Almost any form of speech/writing is a rhetorical choice. Rudeness being considered a <<good>> rhetorical choice reflects poorly on its source's rhetorical prowess.
lbrito 1y ago
Maybe it's just not for you. I've been programming professionally since 2012 and still love it. To me the sweet spot must've been the early mid 2000s, with good enough search engines and ample documentation online.
llbbdd 1y ago
You got some arguably rude replies to this but you're right. I've been doing this a long time and the stuff you listed is never the fun part despite some insistence on HN that it somehow is. I love programming as a platonic ideal but those moments are fleeting between the crap you described and I can't wait for it to go.
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hsuduebc2 1y ago
Did you expect computer programming not to involve this much time at a computer screen? Most modern jobs especially in tech do. If it’s no longer fulfilling, it might be worth exploring a different role or field instead of waiting for the entire profession to change. I understand your frustration but the problem is mostly people. Not the particular skill itself.
vunderba 1y ago
> It has stolen a decade of my life minimum. Feels like this is a byproduct of a poor work-life balance more than an intrinsic issue with programming itself. I also can't really relate since I've always enjoyed discussing challenging problems with colleagues. I'm assuming by "die" you mean some future where autonomous agentic models handle all the work. In this world, where you can delete your entire programming staff and have a single PM who tells the models what features to implement next, where do you imagine you fit in? I just hope for your sake that you have a fallback set of viable skills to survive in this theoretical future.
midasz 1y ago
Damn dude. I'm just having fun most of the time. The field is so insanely broad that if you've got an ounce of affinity there's a corner that would fit you snugly AND you'd make a decent living. Take a look around.

bluefirebrand 1y ago

Feel free to change careers and get lost, no one is forcing you to be a programmer. If you feel it is stealing your life, then please feel free to reclaim your life at any time. Leave the programming to those of us who actually want to do it. We don't want you to be a part of it either

oblio 1y ago
Don't be rude.
- __loam 1y ago
  He's being honest, not rude
  - oblio 1y ago
    Honesty doesn't look like this: > [...] get lost [...] > [..] We don't want you to be a part of it either. [...] He's being rude. Honesty would be, something like: > I (and probably many others) like programming a lot. Even if you're frustrated with it, I think a great deal of people will be sad if somehow programming disappeared completely. It might be best for you if you just found a job that you love more, instead. Also the original comment makes a point that's SUPER valid and anyone working as a professional programmer for 10+ years can't really deny: > poorly if at all maintained libraries, tools, frameworks Most commercial code just sucks due to misaligned incentives. Open Source is better, but not always, as a lot of Open Source code is just commercial code opened up after the fact.
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    - theshackleford 1y ago
      > Honesty doesn't look like this Sure it does. Reads incredibly honestly to me.
      - punkspider 1y ago
        Seems both honest and rude, when it could've been honest and understanding. Responding to the original comment with 'get lost' and 'we don't want you either' is not constructive in my opinion.
        bluefirebrand 1y ago
        I'm not sure why anyone expects this conversation to be constructive at this point People who are cheering for LLM coding because they hate actually coding themselves are cheering for programmers to lose their livelihoods I am not going to be polite and constructive to people who don't care if my livelihood is destroyed by their new tools. Why should I? They are cheering for my ruin
        oblio 1y ago
        Or, you know, you could just... say nothing? Downvote and move on. It's not like OP is Sam Altman and one of the actual AI bros. This thing will happen or not happen regardless of what OP wants. Amusingly, you've committed the same basic mistake as LLMs, which just don't know when to shut up :-p
    - Der_Einzige 1y ago
      Rudeness is a good rhetorical choice to make a point. Only stupid idiots would think differently.
      - oblio 1y ago
        Almost any form of speech/writing is a rhetorical choice. Rudeness being considered a <<good>> rhetorical choice reflects poorly on its source's rhetorical prowess.

lbrito 1y ago

Maybe it's just not for you. I've been programming professionally since 2012 and still love it. To me the sweet spot must've been the early mid 2000s, with good enough search engines and ample documentation online.

llbbdd 1y ago

You got some arguably rude replies to this but you're right. I've been doing this a long time and the stuff you listed is never the fun part despite some insistence on HN that it somehow is. I love programming as a platonic ideal but those moments are fleeting between the crap you described and I can't wait for it to go.

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hsuduebc2 1y ago

Did you expect computer programming not to involve this much time at a computer screen? Most modern jobs especially in tech do. If it’s no longer fulfilling, it might be worth exploring a different role or field instead of waiting for the entire profession to change. I understand your frustration but the problem is mostly people. Not the particular skill itself.

vunderba 1y ago

> It has stolen a decade of my life minimum. Feels like this is a byproduct of a poor work-life balance more than an intrinsic issue with programming itself. I also can't really relate since I've always enjoyed discussing challenging problems with colleagues. I'm assuming by "die" you mean some future where autonomous agentic models handle all the work. In this world, where you can delete your entire programming staff and have a single PM who tells the models what features to implement next, where do you imagine you fit in? I just hope for your sake that you have a fallback set of viable skills to survive in this theoretical future.

midasz 1y ago

Damn dude. I'm just having fun most of the time. The field is so insanely broad that if you've got an ounce of affinity there's a corner that would fit you snugly AND you'd make a decent living. Take a look around.