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> Elon is trying to reinvent public transportation without a shred of understanding why did we get into current state No, Elon wants to cancel public transport

> Elon is trying to reinvent public transportation without a shred of understanding why did we get into current state No, Elon wants to cancel public transportation. Just like in the 1930's when car companies bought public transportation to shut them down. He already delayed public transportation work with his Boring company. The average people won't agree to spend money on public transportation when there are robotaxi available 24/7 on "already existing infrastructure".

Zacharias030 1y ago
Can you point to an article about the 1930s? This is interesting.
- hlfshell 1y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_consp...
  - jibe 1y ago
    By 1918, half of US streetcar mileage was in bankruptcy
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rayiner 1y ago
> The average people won't agree to spend money on public transportation when there are robotaxi available 24/7 on "already existing infrastructure". 90% of people hate public transportation. They want to be in a private cabin that takes you directly to where you’re going. There’s nothing you can do about it other than to impoverish the population. I have lots of immigrant family that move to NYC because that’s where our ethnic enclave is. They uniformly strive to move somewhere suburban where everyone can have their own car. My cousin just moved her family with three kids to Arlington Texas from Queens and is thrilled. Elon is trying to address the problem people actually have instead of the one some minority thinks we should be solving.
- rsynnott 1y ago
  A good public transport system can be faster than driving, tho. Really take any city with a large metro system. And driving in such a city only works as well as it does because most people use the metro system. Move everyone to cars, and it grinds to a halt.
  - seneca 1y ago
    It's not just speed. Public transportation entails being closed in a small space with a completely uncontrolled group of the general public. When normal people think public transportation they aren't considering how well driving scales, they think cell phones blasting music out loud, homeless people, conversations on speaker phone, and random acts of violence. Until that is fixed, people are going to prefer private transportation.
    - fragmede 1y ago
      It is. Try living in a civilized country, rather than one who's people aren't known internationally for being rude and having guns.
      - rayiner 1y ago
        New York City doesn’t have guns but is dirty and full of rude people. Salt Lake City has lots of guns and is clean and full of really nice people.
        FireBeyond 1y ago
        SLC residents are perfectly capable of, and very happy to be rude to you and treat you with disdain for a multitude of reasons (and SLC is the most "tolerant" city in Utah. Anywhere out of downtown and you find that rapidly disappearing). My former employer was in SLC so I spent a lot of time there. NYC people are superficially rude, sure, as a stereotype. But when I've had a genuine issue or question, I've found most people there willing to help. SLC people are just as superficially "really nice", for that comparison.
elromulous 1y ago
Literally the plot of Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
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horcrux 1y ago
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gruez 1y ago
>No, Elon wants to cancel public transportation. Just like in the 1930's when car companies bought public transportation to shut them down. Except that's not what happened. Streetcars were already on the decline when car companies bought them. Claiming "car companies bought public transportation to shut them down" makes as much sense as "hospice doctors gave cancer patients painkillers to kill them". From wikipedia: >Quinby and Snell held that the destruction of streetcar systems was integral to a larger strategy to push the United States into automobile dependency. Most transit scholars disagree, suggesting that transit system changes were brought about by other factors; economic, social, and political factors such as unrealistic capitalization, fixed fares during inflation, changes in paving and automotive technology, the Great Depression, antitrust action, the Public Utility Holding Company Act of 1935, labor unrest, market forces including declining industries' difficulty in attracting capital, rapidly increasing traffic congestion, the Good Roads Movement, urban sprawl, tax policies favoring private vehicle ownership, taxation of fixed infrastructure, consumerism, franchise repair costs for co-located property, wide diffusion of driving skills, automatic transmission buses, and general enthusiasm for the automobile.[
- FireBeyond 1y ago
  > Streetcars were already on the decline when car companies bought them. And yet... LA has, still, 1,000 miles of light rail, and many other locations 500 miles plus. And then you have Melbourne: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trams_in_Melbourne https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trams_in_Melbourne > ... consists of approximately 1,700 tram stops across 24 routes. It is the largest operational urban tram network in the world and one of the most used, with more than 500 trams and 250 kilometres (160 miles) of double tram track. It carried 154.8 million passengers over the year 2023-24. Trams are the second most utilised form of public transport in Melbourne after the city's metropolitan commuter railway network.
- whynotmaybe 1y ago
  I guess we should make some comparisons between marketing budget for cars presented as "freedom" and public transit as outdated VS public transit discrediting cars. Why were there tax incentives to own cars? Because cars were manufactured locally and required a lot of labor so we can say that it was a relatively positive thing for the economy. But how come that some countries have both a strong public transit and huge car industries like France or Germany?

Zacharias030 1y ago

Can you point to an article about the 1930s? This is interesting.

hlfshell 1y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_consp...
- jibe 1y ago
  By 1918, half of US streetcar mileage was in bankruptcy
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rayiner 1y ago

> The average people won't agree to spend money on public transportation when there are robotaxi available 24/7 on "already existing infrastructure". 90% of people hate public transportation. They want to be in a private cabin that takes you directly to where you’re going. There’s nothing you can do about it other than to impoverish the population. I have lots of immigrant family that move to NYC because that’s where our ethnic enclave is. They uniformly strive to move somewhere suburban where everyone can have their own car. My cousin just moved her family with three kids to Arlington Texas from Queens and is thrilled. Elon is trying to address the problem people actually have instead of the one some minority thinks we should be solving.

rsynnott 1y ago
A good public transport system can be faster than driving, tho. Really take any city with a large metro system. And driving in such a city only works as well as it does because most people use the metro system. Move everyone to cars, and it grinds to a halt.
- seneca 1y ago
  It's not just speed. Public transportation entails being closed in a small space with a completely uncontrolled group of the general public. When normal people think public transportation they aren't considering how well driving scales, they think cell phones blasting music out loud, homeless people, conversations on speaker phone, and random acts of violence. Until that is fixed, people are going to prefer private transportation.
  - fragmede 1y ago
    It is. Try living in a civilized country, rather than one who's people aren't known internationally for being rude and having guns.
    - rayiner 1y ago
      New York City doesn’t have guns but is dirty and full of rude people. Salt Lake City has lots of guns and is clean and full of really nice people.
      - FireBeyond 1y ago
        SLC residents are perfectly capable of, and very happy to be rude to you and treat you with disdain for a multitude of reasons (and SLC is the most "tolerant" city in Utah. Anywhere out of downtown and you find that rapidly disappearing). My former employer was in SLC so I spent a lot of time there. NYC people are superficially rude, sure, as a stereotype. But when I've had a genuine issue or question, I've found most people there willing to help. SLC people are just as superficially "really nice", for that comparison.

elromulous 1y ago

Literally the plot of Who Framed Roger Rabbit.

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horcrux 1y ago

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gruez 1y ago

>No, Elon wants to cancel public transportation. Just like in the 1930's when car companies bought public transportation to shut them down. Except that's not what happened. Streetcars were already on the decline when car companies bought them. Claiming "car companies bought public transportation to shut them down" makes as much sense as "hospice doctors gave cancer patients painkillers to kill them". From wikipedia: >Quinby and Snell held that the destruction of streetcar systems was integral to a larger strategy to push the United States into automobile dependency. Most transit scholars disagree, suggesting that transit system changes were brought about by other factors; economic, social, and political factors such as unrealistic capitalization, fixed fares during inflation, changes in paving and automotive technology, the Great Depression, antitrust action, the Public Utility Holding Company Act of 1935, labor unrest, market forces including declining industries' difficulty in attracting capital, rapidly increasing traffic congestion, the Good Roads Movement, urban sprawl, tax policies favoring private vehicle ownership, taxation of fixed infrastructure, consumerism, franchise repair costs for co-located property, wide diffusion of driving skills, automatic transmission buses, and general enthusiasm for the automobile.[

FireBeyond 1y ago
> Streetcars were already on the decline when car companies bought them. And yet... LA has, still, 1,000 miles of light rail, and many other locations 500 miles plus. And then you have Melbourne: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trams_in_Melbourne https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trams_in_Melbourne > ... consists of approximately 1,700 tram stops across 24 routes. It is the largest operational urban tram network in the world and one of the most used, with more than 500 trams and 250 kilometres (160 miles) of double tram track. It carried 154.8 million passengers over the year 2023-24. Trams are the second most utilised form of public transport in Melbourne after the city's metropolitan commuter railway network.
whynotmaybe 1y ago
I guess we should make some comparisons between marketing budget for cars presented as "freedom" and public transit as outdated VS public transit discrediting cars. Why were there tax incentives to own cars? Because cars were manufactured locally and required a lot of labor so we can say that it was a relatively positive thing for the economy. But how come that some countries have both a strong public transit and huge car industries like France or Germany?