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> In the US it is officially 2 deaths involving Teslas with FSD engaged, with a couple more under investigation but not yet verified that FSD was engaged. That
by aqme28 1y ago
> In the US it is officially 2 deaths involving Teslas with FSD engaged, with a couple more under investigation but not yet verified that FSD was engaged.
That is not a useful metric for Tesla. They disengage FSD when they detect a potential accident.
- darknavi 1y agoWell that, and most of the incidents I've seen haven't been using FSD but instead traditional Autopilot which hasn't received updates in years.
- Kerbonut 1y agoIt’s still counted as FSD enabled. Would you prefer FSD to remain active and potentially cause further collateral damage after an accident causing who knows what kind of damage to the vehicle? Safer to shut it down when systems are working and brace for impact. Seriously use your brain.
- n8henrie 1y agoCan you elaborate on how things are counted? Is it "counted" if FSD was engaged within a certain time frame prior to a crash? If so, do you know what time frame? Or only if it was disabled automatically due to detecting a potential crash? The latter would still be problematic, as a human driver noticing a problem just prior to the FSD disabling itself would potentially be missed (right?). Do you know who does the counting and who makes the rules in this regard? Asking as you seem to have more knowledge here than me.
- OldfieldFund 1y ago30 seconds by law: https://www.nhtsa.gov/laws-regulations/standing-general-order-crash-reporting https://www.nhtsa.gov/laws-regulations/standing-general-orde...
- n8henrie 1y agoThank you!
- maxlin 1y agoYour argument is ridiculous. Might as well attribute all accidents with any Tesla close in vicinity to FSD then? The data is collected in all of these incidents, and most people have seen the clips of FSD avoiding otherwise potentially lethal accidents, so "They disengage FSD when they detect a potential accident" is also just patently untrue.
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- ACCount36 1y agoBullshit. And I am tired of having to call people out on it. Autopilot shuts down when it can't handle the situation it's in. This doesn't help it "avoid blame" at all. Because Tesla considers Autopilot implicated in any crash that happened within 5 seconds from Autopilot being disengaged. > To ensure our statistics are conservative, we count any crash in which Autopilot was deactivated within 5 seconds before impact, and we count all crashes in which the incident alert indicated an airbag or other active restraint deployed. NHSTA's reporting requirements are even more conservative: > Level 2 ADAS: Entities named in the General Order must report a crash if Level 2 ADAS was in use at any time within 30 seconds of the crash and the crash involved a vulnerable road user being struck or resulted in a fatality, an air bag deployment, or any individual being transported to a hospital for medical treatment.
- josephcsible 1y ago> They disengage FSD when they detect a potential accident. Even if that were true, any accident where FSD was disengaged up to 30 seconds prior is counted as being engaged. And 30 seconds is long enough in driving that if FSD disengaged that long ago, there's no possible way any accident at that point was related to it.
- gruez 1y ago>Even if that were true, any accident where FSD was disengaged up to 30 seconds prior is counted as being engaged. source?
- josephcsible 1y agohttps://www.nhtsa.gov/laws-regulations/standing-general-order-crash-reporting https://www.nhtsa.gov/laws-regulations/standing-general-orde...