I think the UPF debate just comes down to "things I want to be healthy are not UPF, and things I want to be unhealthy I call UPF." It's why the debate rarely e

I think the UPF debate just comes down to "things I want to be healthy are not UPF, and things I want to be unhealthy I call UPF." It's why the debate rarely exits the semantic stage into the empirical stage of argument where we look at the human health outcome data on supposedly scary chemicals. Meanwhile, we also have data on not-so-processed foods that are bad for us, and the level of processing did nothing to spare us the negative health impact.