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lol jeans. Just got into selvedge denim, go buy from a company like brave star denim, and don’t buy anything less than 15 oz. I can find a literal 21 oz unripp

lol jeans. Just got into selvedge denim, go buy from a company like brave star denim, and don’t buy anything less than 15 oz. I can find a literal 21 oz unrippable insane heavy weight selvedge denim pants for less than 200, and it’ll be made in America of Japanese materials. Most Americans are simply stupid when they buy clothes. They don’t do research and they make extremely suboptimal purchases by trusting big brands. Just checked: https://bravestarselvage.com/collections/heavyweight-selvage-denim/products/pre-order-true-straight-21-5oz-gauntlet-heavyweight-selvage-denim https://bravestarselvage.com/collections/heavyweight-selvage... 168 USD for jeans so strong and thick they feel like armor. You will never wear out of these jeans or rip them.

lotsofpulp 1y ago
Jeans at old navy or costco or next are $20 to $30. And I can wash them on “normal” cycle every time I wear them, and dry them on normal and never have to worry about taking care of them. They still last me at least a couple years. And I don’t have to trust that the manufacturer made them well enough to last 7+ years for me to break even.
- hilux 1y ago
  Check out shopgoodwill.com. I get everything there. Most clothes are incredible value, and even with a few duds in the mix, it's way better (for my wallet, and the environment) than buying new at retail.
- Der_Einzige 1y ago
  Wearing unfashionable or ugly clothes will get you treated poorly by others, which leads to negative life outcomes. No one finds old navy or costco 20-30$ jeans fashionable. You need to trust that the manufacturer didn't cheap out in ways that could negatively impact your health. From https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/fashion-beauty/article/3190927/toxic-chemicals-our-clothes-lead-chromium-pfas-phthalates https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/fashion-beauty/article/319092... "Experts said Shein is not a unique case. Clothes from many large clothing brands like Lululemon, Old Navy, and REI have been found to contain toxic chemicals." Selvedge Denim from made in america/japan brands (i.e. brave star, gustin, naked and famous, iron heart, etc) is made using 1940s machines/techniques using (usually) 100% cotton denim. No toxic chemicals. My jeans are better than yours.
gtowey 1y ago
It's not just being stupid, it's that the information space is overflowing with marketing and BS. It's a mammoth task to parse through it all and not be suckered in by a slick advertisement that says the product you're looking at has everything you want. Amazon is absolutely the worst for false advertising, garbage masquerading as top of the line. And the usual alternative, using Google to search for companies directly, has turned into a largely futile experience as their search results are absolutely terrible, showing almost only the "top" retailers which are the same purveyors of cheap crap. I have spent a considerable amount of time researching better, more durable pants and this is the first time I've heard about this company. So thank you for that!
- trod1234 1y ago
  The noise is so loud, you can't find any signal. Shannon's Limit has been reached. Also, the knowledge needed to differentiate has been lost by many, and suppressed given the economic disadvantage of quality vs cheap in a money-printing economy. Unless you have a fairly good knowledge of sewing, construction, chemicals/materials, you end up getting things that look the same but aren't the same. With Jeans, most of the durability came from the weave with extra strength from rivets at the stress points in the fabric and the properly locked-off stitching, at the seams; which a lot of industrial machining can't duplicate at the same cost (that's why you get the unraveling with those stitches using 4 threads at once). Then there is the synthetic fibers that are mixed in for flexibility/comfort that become stressed or dissolve upon exposure to detergents, and the use of low-quality cotton thread, or full synthetics and sometimes just glue to bind the seams instead of nylon/silk (both extremely strong). You won't find any company offering Jeans that last more than a year or so, and any fraying near the belt loops, or main seam lines is a sign of poor worksmanship. I've had Walmart jeans, both the offbrand, and triple price regular brand rip, belt loops break, seams show signs of unraveling within 20 minutes of first use (brand new).
  - Der_Einzige 1y ago
    >You won't find any company offering Jeans that last more than a year or so I literally just linked to a pair of jeans that you will try and fail to kill over a lifetime of use for most people. If you still need bigger, Naked and Famous make 32 oz and 40oz, but the heavy denim crowd has bought them all and it's hard to find them right now. Trying to teach HN how to buy high quality clothes is like talking to a brick wall. This is 25 oz from the same brand: https://bravestarselvage.com/collections/heavyweight-selvage-denim/products/pre-ordder-slim-straight-25oz-sumo-iv-japan-selvage-denim https://bravestarselvage.com/collections/heavyweight-selvage... Quoting their description: "Selvage denim of this weight and caliber are rare, expensive and very difficult to manufacture here in USA due to the sheer weight, thickness of the yarn and time factor involved in slowing down the production line. Each sewing operation has to be considered and necessary adjustments need to be made to accommodate the weight. Our sewing operators are required to wear safety goggles during the sewing process due the frequent exploding needles which can be quite dangerous. Needless to say it's extremely time consuming due to the half speed at which the operations can be accomplished which makes it a very labor intensive production process. " I'd like to see you kill that in a year, or 10. I found some 22 oz from some Indonesian selvedge company for 124 USD: https://wingmandenim.com/product/zero-zeke-22oz/ https://wingmandenim.com/product/zero-zeke-22oz/ Japanese materials. You just don't know how to buy jeans.

lotsofpulp 1y ago

Jeans at old navy or costco or next are $20 to $30. And I can wash them on “normal” cycle every time I wear them, and dry them on normal and never have to worry about taking care of them. They still last me at least a couple years. And I don’t have to trust that the manufacturer made them well enough to last 7+ years for me to break even.

hilux 1y ago
Check out shopgoodwill.com. I get everything there. Most clothes are incredible value, and even with a few duds in the mix, it's way better (for my wallet, and the environment) than buying new at retail.
Der_Einzige 1y ago
Wearing unfashionable or ugly clothes will get you treated poorly by others, which leads to negative life outcomes. No one finds old navy or costco 20-30$ jeans fashionable. You need to trust that the manufacturer didn't cheap out in ways that could negatively impact your health. From https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/fashion-beauty/article/3190927/toxic-chemicals-our-clothes-lead-chromium-pfas-phthalates https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/fashion-beauty/article/319092... "Experts said Shein is not a unique case. Clothes from many large clothing brands like Lululemon, Old Navy, and REI have been found to contain toxic chemicals." Selvedge Denim from made in america/japan brands (i.e. brave star, gustin, naked and famous, iron heart, etc) is made using 1940s machines/techniques using (usually) 100% cotton denim. No toxic chemicals. My jeans are better than yours.

gtowey 1y ago

It's not just being stupid, it's that the information space is overflowing with marketing and BS. It's a mammoth task to parse through it all and not be suckered in by a slick advertisement that says the product you're looking at has everything you want. Amazon is absolutely the worst for false advertising, garbage masquerading as top of the line. And the usual alternative, using Google to search for companies directly, has turned into a largely futile experience as their search results are absolutely terrible, showing almost only the "top" retailers which are the same purveyors of cheap crap. I have spent a considerable amount of time researching better, more durable pants and this is the first time I've heard about this company. So thank you for that!

trod1234 1y ago
The noise is so loud, you can't find any signal. Shannon's Limit has been reached. Also, the knowledge needed to differentiate has been lost by many, and suppressed given the economic disadvantage of quality vs cheap in a money-printing economy. Unless you have a fairly good knowledge of sewing, construction, chemicals/materials, you end up getting things that look the same but aren't the same. With Jeans, most of the durability came from the weave with extra strength from rivets at the stress points in the fabric and the properly locked-off stitching, at the seams; which a lot of industrial machining can't duplicate at the same cost (that's why you get the unraveling with those stitches using 4 threads at once). Then there is the synthetic fibers that are mixed in for flexibility/comfort that become stressed or dissolve upon exposure to detergents, and the use of low-quality cotton thread, or full synthetics and sometimes just glue to bind the seams instead of nylon/silk (both extremely strong). You won't find any company offering Jeans that last more than a year or so, and any fraying near the belt loops, or main seam lines is a sign of poor worksmanship. I've had Walmart jeans, both the offbrand, and triple price regular brand rip, belt loops break, seams show signs of unraveling within 20 minutes of first use (brand new).
- Der_Einzige 1y ago
  >You won't find any company offering Jeans that last more than a year or so I literally just linked to a pair of jeans that you will try and fail to kill over a lifetime of use for most people. If you still need bigger, Naked and Famous make 32 oz and 40oz, but the heavy denim crowd has bought them all and it's hard to find them right now. Trying to teach HN how to buy high quality clothes is like talking to a brick wall. This is 25 oz from the same brand: https://bravestarselvage.com/collections/heavyweight-selvage-denim/products/pre-ordder-slim-straight-25oz-sumo-iv-japan-selvage-denim https://bravestarselvage.com/collections/heavyweight-selvage... Quoting their description: "Selvage denim of this weight and caliber are rare, expensive and very difficult to manufacture here in USA due to the sheer weight, thickness of the yarn and time factor involved in slowing down the production line. Each sewing operation has to be considered and necessary adjustments need to be made to accommodate the weight. Our sewing operators are required to wear safety goggles during the sewing process due the frequent exploding needles which can be quite dangerous. Needless to say it's extremely time consuming due to the half speed at which the operations can be accomplished which makes it a very labor intensive production process. " I'd like to see you kill that in a year, or 10. I found some 22 oz from some Indonesian selvedge company for 124 USD: https://wingmandenim.com/product/zero-zeke-22oz/ https://wingmandenim.com/product/zero-zeke-22oz/ Japanese materials. You just don't know how to buy jeans.