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Waymo came close with me. There were two left turn lanes, and it migrated from the inner one to the outer one in the middle of the turn without a blinker while

by hansvm 1y ago

Waymo came close with me. There were two left turn lanes, and it migrated from the inner one to the outer one in the middle of the turn without a blinker while I was next to it. It got lucky that I'm young and wasn't too tired and also that it was a relatively safe place to run me off the road.

Marsymars 1y ago
This is tough for people to get right too. Near my house we’ve got 2 left turn lanes that merge into a 3 lane road without any lane markers, and I’ve got to maintain constant vigilance for people drifting into my lane.
r0m4n0 1y ago
Are you sure that you were in the right and there were two left turn lanes? There is an intersection by me that everyone uses wrong and you get folks using it as a double turn lane when the lanes have text that say the name of the road you are technically supposed to stay on. Really the city is to blame and not the driver because it’s confusing but still, I think the lanes are all mapped manually for Waymo (but personally I don’t have any inside knowledge) Traveling south here on Land Park Dr there are two lanes, some people from the right lane veer left and the left lane veer right through the middle of the intersection. There aren’t dotted lines to help. https://maps.app.goo.gl/?link=https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5378955,-121.5032635,9a,75y,228.81h,77.59t/data%3D!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sfMkYspllleFnjMbP8VFTRw!2e0!6shttps:%252F%252Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%252Fv1%252Fthumbnail%253Fpanoid%253DfMkYspllleFnjMbP8VFTRw%2526w%253D900%2526h%253D600%2526ll%253D38.537895,-121.503263%2526yaw%253D228.806854%2526pitch%253D12.405800%2526cb_client%253Dgmm.iv.ios?g_ep%3DCAISEjI1LjI5LjIuNzgyNjQxNDIyMxgAIIGBASqQASw5NDI3NTMwNiw5NDIyMzI4Nyw5NDIxNjQwMSw5NDIyNDgyNSw5NDIyNzI0Nyw5NDIyNzI0OCw5NDIzMTE4OCw5NDI4MDU2OCw0NzA3MTcwNCw0NzA2OTUwOCw5NDI3Mzg4Myw5NDIxODY0MSw5NDI4MjEzNCw5NDIwMzAxOSw0NzA4NDMwNCw5NDI1ODk0MkICVVM%253D%26skid%3D5429b83f-587f-4be4-88a8-a45fc2f87105&apn=com.google.android.apps.maps&afl=https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5378955,-121.5032635,9a,75y,228.81h,77.59t/data%3D!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sfMkYspllleFnjMbP8VFTRw!2e0!6shttps:%252F%252Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%252Fv1%252Fthumbnail%253Fpanoid%253DfMkYspllleFnjMbP8VFTRw%2526w%253D900%2526h%253D600%2526ll%253D38.537895,-121.503263%2526yaw%253D228.806854%2526pitch%253D12.405800%2526cb_client%253Dgmm.iv.ios?g_ep%3DCAISEjI1LjI5LjIuNzgyNjQxNDIyMxgAIIGBASqQASw5NDI3NTMwNiw5NDIyMzI4Nyw5NDIxNjQwMSw5NDIyNDgyNSw5NDIyNzI0Nyw5NDIyNzI0OCw5NDIzMTE4OCw5NDI4MDU2OCw0NzA3MTcwNCw0NzA2OTUwOCw5NDI3Mzg4Myw5NDIxODY0MSw5NDI4MjEzNCw5NDIwMzAxOSw0NzA4NDMwNCw5NDI1ODk0MkICVVM%253D%26skid%3D27fae012-c7b9-48e7-afe1-f7e25731510f&isi=585027354&ibi=com.google.Maps&ibi=com.google.Rzimuth&ibi=com.google.Azimuth&ibi=com.google.Bzimuth&ibi=com.google.Czimuth&ibi=com.google.Dzimuth&ius=comgooglemapsurl&ifl=https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5378955,-121.5032635,9a,75y,228.81h,77.59t/data%3D!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sfMkYspllleFnjMbP8VFTRw!2e0!6shttps:%252F%252Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%252Fv1%252Fthumbnail%253Fpanoid%253DfMkYspllleFnjMbP8VFTRw%2526w%253D900%2526h%253D600%2526ll%253D38.537895,-121.503263%2526yaw%253D228.806854%2526pitch%253D12.405800%2526cb_client%253Dgmm.iv.ios?g_ep%3DCAISEjI1LjI5LjIuNzgyNjQxNDIyMxgAIIGBASqQASw5NDI3NTMwNiw5NDIyMzI4Nyw5NDIxNjQwMSw5NDIyNDgyNSw5NDIyNzI0Nyw5NDIyNzI0OCw5NDIzMTE4OCw5NDI4MDU2OCw0NzA3MTcwNCw0NzA2OTUwOCw5NDI3Mzg4Myw5NDIxODY0MSw5NDI4MjEzNCw5NDIwMzAxOSw0NzA4NDMwNCw5NDI1ODk0MkICVVM%253D%26skid%3D9b78826e-2fed-4443-a3bd-896f112799c7&cid=42701145944680883&_osl=https://maps.app.goo.gl/sbbc35hPxcHqCEB19&_icp=1 https://maps.app.goo.gl/?link=https://www.google.com/maps/@3...
- hansvm 1y ago
  Quite certain. The two left lanes can both turn left, and the middle lane can also go straight. It's well marked (though a bit tight if you try to take it fast). https://maps.app.goo.gl/n2kUUHmDKaSURFqx9 https://maps.app.goo.gl/n2kUUHmDKaSURFqx9
  - big_toast 1y ago
    Is the turn you're referring to the one where lane 1 (the inner left) then merges into lane 2 after the receiving block segment starts? (John Daly Blvd. onto Park Plaza Dr. southbound) I wonder how something like that is represented to the waymo or reasoned about.
    - hansvm 1y ago
      John Daly Blvd onto Skyline southbound, where the two left turn lanes continue into two highway lanes.

by hansvm 1y ago

Marsymars 1y ago

This is tough for people to get right too. Near my house we’ve got 2 left turn lanes that merge into a 3 lane road without any lane markers, and I’ve got to maintain constant vigilance for people drifting into my lane.

r0m4n0 1y ago

Are you sure that you were in the right and there were two left turn lanes? There is an intersection by me that everyone uses wrong and you get folks using it as a double turn lane when the lanes have text that say the name of the road you are technically supposed to stay on. Really the city is to blame and not the driver because it’s confusing but still, I think the lanes are all mapped manually for Waymo (but personally I don’t have any inside knowledge) Traveling south here on Land Park Dr there are two lanes, some people from the right lane veer left and the left lane veer right through the middle of the intersection. There aren’t dotted lines to help. https://maps.app.goo.gl/?link=https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5378955,-121.5032635,9a,75y,228.81h,77.59t/data%3D!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sfMkYspllleFnjMbP8VFTRw!2e0!6shttps:%252F%252Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%252Fv1%252Fthumbnail%253Fpanoid%253DfMkYspllleFnjMbP8VFTRw%2526w%253D900%2526h%253D600%2526ll%253D38.537895,-121.503263%2526yaw%253D228.806854%2526pitch%253D12.405800%2526cb_client%253Dgmm.iv.ios?g_ep%3DCAISEjI1LjI5LjIuNzgyNjQxNDIyMxgAIIGBASqQASw5NDI3NTMwNiw5NDIyMzI4Nyw5NDIxNjQwMSw5NDIyNDgyNSw5NDIyNzI0Nyw5NDIyNzI0OCw5NDIzMTE4OCw5NDI4MDU2OCw0NzA3MTcwNCw0NzA2OTUwOCw5NDI3Mzg4Myw5NDIxODY0MSw5NDI4MjEzNCw5NDIwMzAxOSw0NzA4NDMwNCw5NDI1ODk0MkICVVM%253D%26skid%3D5429b83f-587f-4be4-88a8-a45fc2f87105&apn=com.google.android.apps.maps&afl=https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5378955,-121.5032635,9a,75y,228.81h,77.59t/data%3D!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sfMkYspllleFnjMbP8VFTRw!2e0!6shttps:%252F%252Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%252Fv1%252Fthumbnail%253Fpanoid%253DfMkYspllleFnjMbP8VFTRw%2526w%253D900%2526h%253D600%2526ll%253D38.537895,-121.503263%2526yaw%253D228.806854%2526pitch%253D12.405800%2526cb_client%253Dgmm.iv.ios?g_ep%3DCAISEjI1LjI5LjIuNzgyNjQxNDIyMxgAIIGBASqQASw5NDI3NTMwNiw5NDIyMzI4Nyw5NDIxNjQwMSw5NDIyNDgyNSw5NDIyNzI0Nyw5NDIyNzI0OCw5NDIzMTE4OCw5NDI4MDU2OCw0NzA3MTcwNCw0NzA2OTUwOCw5NDI3Mzg4Myw5NDIxODY0MSw5NDI4MjEzNCw5NDIwMzAxOSw0NzA4NDMwNCw5NDI1ODk0MkICVVM%253D%26skid%3D27fae012-c7b9-48e7-afe1-f7e25731510f&isi=585027354&ibi=com.google.Maps&ibi=com.google.Rzimuth&ibi=com.google.Azimuth&ibi=com.google.Bzimuth&ibi=com.google.Czimuth&ibi=com.google.Dzimuth&ius=comgooglemapsurl&ifl=https://www.google.com/maps/@38.5378955,-121.5032635,9a,75y,228.81h,77.59t/data%3D!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sfMkYspllleFnjMbP8VFTRw!2e0!6shttps:%252F%252Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%252Fv1%252Fthumbnail%253Fpanoid%253DfMkYspllleFnjMbP8VFTRw%2526w%253D900%2526h%253D600%2526ll%253D38.537895,-121.503263%2526yaw%253D228.806854%2526pitch%253D12.405800%2526cb_client%253Dgmm.iv.ios?g_ep%3DCAISEjI1LjI5LjIuNzgyNjQxNDIyMxgAIIGBASqQASw5NDI3NTMwNiw5NDIyMzI4Nyw5NDIxNjQwMSw5NDIyNDgyNSw5NDIyNzI0Nyw5NDIyNzI0OCw5NDIzMTE4OCw5NDI4MDU2OCw0NzA3MTcwNCw0NzA2OTUwOCw5NDI3Mzg4Myw5NDIxODY0MSw5NDI4MjEzNCw5NDIwMzAxOSw0NzA4NDMwNCw5NDI1ODk0MkICVVM%253D%26skid%3D9b78826e-2fed-4443-a3bd-896f112799c7&cid=42701145944680883&_osl=https://maps.app.goo.gl/sbbc35hPxcHqCEB19&_icp=1 https://maps.app.goo.gl/?link=https://www.google.com/maps/@3...

hansvm 1y ago
Quite certain. The two left lanes can both turn left, and the middle lane can also go straight. It's well marked (though a bit tight if you try to take it fast). https://maps.app.goo.gl/n2kUUHmDKaSURFqx9 https://maps.app.goo.gl/n2kUUHmDKaSURFqx9
- big_toast 1y ago
  Is the turn you're referring to the one where lane 1 (the inner left) then merges into lane 2 after the receiving block segment starts? (John Daly Blvd. onto Park Plaza Dr. southbound) I wonder how something like that is represented to the waymo or reasoned about.
  - hansvm 1y ago
    John Daly Blvd onto Skyline southbound, where the two left turn lanes continue into two highway lanes.