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“One of the first riders almost hit a train“ How many human drivers almost hit something?

JKCalhoun 1y ago
I wonder: when a human does it "we" have someone to blame. I think as a species we like that. When a machine kills someone do we go after … the company? (Maybe we should all be shorting robo-taxi companies.)
steveBK123 1y ago
In the 1000s of miles I have been a passenger in Ubers, taxis, etc.. I have never had one try to drive through a railroad crossing.
- dmix 1y ago
  2yrs ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhyqKdhoYaM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhyqKdhoYaM
  - wat10000 1y ago
    We need stats, not anecdotes. Last I saw, Tesla’s “full self-driving” required human intervention something like once every couple hundred miles. That’s absolutely atrocious. It’s probably better now, but still a long way from where it needs to be. For comparison, the average American driver goes around 100,000 miles between collisions.
    - steveBK123 1y ago
      Right and if you remove elderly, drunks and teens, who are generally not your taxi driver of choice, the driving stats skew even better. So average driver is a low, probably incorrect bar to meet.
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tzs 1y ago
Most of the time when a human does it is because they were either operating the car while they were tired or ill which interfered with their ability to pay attention or they were doing human stuff that distracted them such as dealing with kids, talking to others in the car or by phone, daydreaming, looking at something interesting on the side of the road, panicking because they just noticed a big spider on the ceiling above them, and so on. A self-driving car should not get tired. It shouldn't be doing any robotic equivalent of those things that distract humans. This is why almost hitting things is a bigger deal for self-driving cars. Humans are expected to almost hit things, because we do a lot more than drive cars and we are easily distracted. A self-driving car is a specialized system designed for that one task. If it almost hits something it is either a sign that there is a flaw in how the system works, the real world testing was not good enough, or it has hit an extremely rare edge case

I wonder: when a human does it "we" have someone to blame. I think as a species we like that. When a machine kills someone do we go after … the company? (Maybe we should all be shorting robo-taxi companies.)

steveBK123 1y ago

In the 1000s of miles I have been a passenger in Ubers, taxis, etc.. I have never had one try to drive through a railroad crossing.

dmix 1y ago
2yrs ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhyqKdhoYaM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhyqKdhoYaM
- wat10000 1y ago
  We need stats, not anecdotes. Last I saw, Tesla’s “full self-driving” required human intervention something like once every couple hundred miles. That’s absolutely atrocious. It’s probably better now, but still a long way from where it needs to be. For comparison, the average American driver goes around 100,000 miles between collisions.
  - steveBK123 1y ago
    Right and if you remove elderly, drunks and teens, who are generally not your taxi driver of choice, the driving stats skew even better. So average driver is a low, probably incorrect bar to meet.

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tzs 1y ago

Most of the time when a human does it is because they were either operating the car while they were tired or ill which interfered with their ability to pay attention or they were doing human stuff that distracted them such as dealing with kids, talking to others in the car or by phone, daydreaming, looking at something interesting on the side of the road, panicking because they just noticed a big spider on the ceiling above them, and so on. A self-driving car should not get tired. It shouldn't be doing any robotic equivalent of those things that distract humans. This is why almost hitting things is a bigger deal for self-driving cars. Humans are expected to almost hit things, because we do a lot more than drive cars and we are easily distracted. A self-driving car is a specialized system designed for that one task. If it almost hits something it is either a sign that there is a flaw in how the system works, the real world testing was not good enough, or it has hit an extremely rare edge case