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More Musk absurdity that he describes this as having “launched” the Robotaxi service when for all intents and purposes they still have a human driver.

by avalys 1y ago

samrus 1y ago
i dont like musk but the driver it there during this initial phase to take over in emergencies right? they arent actually driving the whole time? i do agree he should say its in early access or something
breadwinner 1y ago
Also, their remote control center staff have steering wheels on their desks, to take over when needed, see discussion here: https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfDrivingCars/comments/1li0swv/does_tesla_use_remote_teleoperator_steering/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfDrivingCars/comments/1li0swv/do...
porphyra 1y ago
Literally every self driving car service, including Waymo [1], Cruise, etc, initially launched as an invite-only program with a safety driver --- in the driver seat no less, rather than the passenger seat like for the Tesla robotaxi. I don't know why people point to the safety operator somehow like it's proof that Tesla is bad. It's just a normal thing for a very early phase of deployment. In the worst case Tesla is just a few years behind Waymo but that by no means is absolute proof that they cannot scale up and improve it just as Waymo has. > The service will initially be limited to "early riders" who've already been a part of Waymo's test programs. This first wave will also find human drivers ready to take over in the event of a problem. [1] https://www.engadget.com/2018-12-05-waymo-one-launches.html https://www.engadget.com/2018-12-05-waymo-one-launches.html
- queenkjuul 1y ago
  Well except that according to musk, Tesla has had a 10 year head start and it's still behind
FireBeyond 1y ago
> Last night, Elon Musk did what he does best: promise “millions” of autonomous Tesla vehicles would be on the road by the end of next year. And this tiny little disclaimer: > Last year, Musk said that Tesla would rollout “unsupervised” robotaxis in Austin, Texas starting in June 2025. And in the call last night, Musk stuck to that deadline, but added a little more color about what to expect. He said the paid ridehailing service would consist of 10-20 Model Y vehicles with remote operators in case any of the cars get stuck. Ahh, unsupervised, if you ignore the supervisors! And wow, a whole 10-20 for the city! > Musk has long promised Level 5 autonomy, which describes driverless vehicles that can travel anywhere, under any conditions, without limitations. But last night, he corrected himself: there will be some limitations. Ahh, geofencing sucks unless Tesla does it, got it. > One analyst asked about the reliability of Tesla’s cameras when confronting sun glare, fog, or dust. Musk claimed that the company’s vision system bypasses image processing and instead uses direct photon counting to account for “noise” like glare or dust. I smell bullshit. Photon counting requires specialized cameras that are not present on Teslas. Not to mention lab conditions (so you can direct photons at your sensor, versus you know, scattering into the atmosphere...) And that don't do anywhere near as well at regular image processing, for that reason.

More Musk absurdity that he describes this as having “launched” the Robotaxi service when for all intents and purposes they still have a human driver.

by avalys 1y ago

More Musk absurdity that he describes this as having “launched” the Robotaxi service when for all intents and purposes they still have a human driver.

samrus 1y ago

i dont like musk but the driver it there during this initial phase to take over in emergencies right? they arent actually driving the whole time? i do agree he should say its in early access or something

breadwinner 1y ago

Also, their remote control center staff have steering wheels on their desks, to take over when needed, see discussion here: https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfDrivingCars/comments/1li0swv/does_tesla_use_remote_teleoperator_steering/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SelfDrivingCars/comments/1li0swv/do...

porphyra 1y ago

Literally every self driving car service, including Waymo [1], Cruise, etc, initially launched as an invite-only program with a safety driver --- in the driver seat no less, rather than the passenger seat like for the Tesla robotaxi. I don't know why people point to the safety operator somehow like it's proof that Tesla is bad. It's just a normal thing for a very early phase of deployment. In the worst case Tesla is just a few years behind Waymo but that by no means is absolute proof that they cannot scale up and improve it just as Waymo has. > The service will initially be limited to "early riders" who've already been a part of Waymo's test programs. This first wave will also find human drivers ready to take over in the event of a problem. [1] https://www.engadget.com/2018-12-05-waymo-one-launches.html https://www.engadget.com/2018-12-05-waymo-one-launches.html

queenkjuul 1y ago
Well except that according to musk, Tesla has had a 10 year head start and it's still behind

FireBeyond 1y ago

> Last night, Elon Musk did what he does best: promise “millions” of autonomous Tesla vehicles would be on the road by the end of next year. And this tiny little disclaimer: > Last year, Musk said that Tesla would rollout “unsupervised” robotaxis in Austin, Texas starting in June 2025. And in the call last night, Musk stuck to that deadline, but added a little more color about what to expect. He said the paid ridehailing service would consist of 10-20 Model Y vehicles with remote operators in case any of the cars get stuck. Ahh, unsupervised, if you ignore the supervisors! And wow, a whole 10-20 for the city! > Musk has long promised Level 5 autonomy, which describes driverless vehicles that can travel anywhere, under any conditions, without limitations. But last night, he corrected himself: there will be some limitations. Ahh, geofencing sucks unless Tesla does it, got it. > One analyst asked about the reliability of Tesla’s cameras when confronting sun glare, fog, or dust. Musk claimed that the company’s vision system bypasses image processing and instead uses direct photon counting to account for “noise” like glare or dust. I smell bullshit. Photon counting requires specialized cameras that are not present on Teslas. Not to mention lab conditions (so you can direct photons at your sensor, versus you know, scattering into the atmosphere...) And that don't do anywhere near as well at regular image processing, for that reason.