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It really annoys me that Microsoft brought in new composers. You're so insistent on "owning" the music you give up on a major part of what made the game what it

by donatj 1y ago

It really annoys me that Microsoft brought in new composers. You're so insistent on "owning" the music you give up on a major part of what made the game what it is today.

jsiepkes 1y ago
I get why they want that. Otherwise every time they want to do something "out of the box" with Minecraft they have to go through corporate and IP lawyers first.
- vintermann 1y ago
  The only thing they couldn't do with C418's music, was to publish "Minecraft: the official soundtrack" and take all the royalties themselves. Nor could they claim YouTube videos for having Minecraft's original music in it (they did it several times "accidentally" when the movie came out, and stole a couple of million from YouTube makers). So no, I don't buy the "they'd have to go through lawyers" excuse. They could still have had blanket licenses for using the music in all sorts of ways, they just wouldn't own it.
encom 1y ago
I'm further annoyed that Microsoft stole Minecraft from me. I can't play a game a paid for. Absolute scumbags of the highest order.
- Novosell 1y ago
  Hmm? What'd they do to it?
  - sneak 1y ago
    They require a Microsoft account. There was a period of time where you could port over your Mojang account, but I and many other people did not, because I didn't want a Microsoft account or to have to agree to the Microsoft Terms of Service, a new legal contract which didn't exist at the time I paid for Minecraft. It's a classic bait and switch. Then, the account migration window closed, and Mojang accounts stopped working. Now I and thousands of others can't play the game we paid good money for. Fuck Notch and Microsoft both.
    - Novosell 1y ago
      Oh shit. It's been more than a decade since I played Minecraft but sounds like I, too, have lost my account then.
      - deleted 1y ago
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    - tialaramex 1y ago
      > There was a period of time where you could port over your Mojang account, To be fair that was a fairly long period IIRC. And they really put some work into that last migration once they announced everything else is going away. Minecraft has all these legacy systems because nobody knew it would be huge, so during the Alpha and early Beta periods it's just whatever payment system they've cobbled together this week. I'm still not sure if the scattered piles of emails, account names, IDs, passwords, receipt codes or other detritus eventually persuaded them I'm tialaramex or whether the fact I'm just very obviously tialaramex (it's gestured at in my email address, it's my HN account handle, if I ever tweeted, which I do not, I would be @tialaramex, it's everywhere) prevailed and so that's why I got my tialaramex Minecraft persona connected to whatever nonsense Microsoft have. But either way, once we reached the "Now a human is needed" step they were as helpful as you could ask given how cheap Minecraft was back when I bought it. I think if you lost all contact for so long you weren't aware there was a migration it's not unreasonable to think if you suddenly regain interest you should pay for Minecraft. The current Minecraft is very different from what you last saw, albeit not in its essentials.
      - sneak 1y ago
        You are missing the point. I was well aware of it. I don’t want a Microsoft account. I don’t do business with Microsoft. Microsoft demanded that I agree to a new contract, the Microsoft Terms of Service, to which I do not and will not agree, to continue to use the game I already paid for. This is called a bait-and-switch. I paid money, got the product, used the product, then they altered the deal, Vader style. Sign this new contract or you lose your game. It’s bullshit any which way you slice it. Arguably it’s Mojang’s fault for selling to such a shitty acquirer and betraying their customers, not that we need any more reasons to understand what a total piece of trash Notch is.
  - ARob109 1y ago
    That and before The Minecraft Movie came out, you could play multiplayer LAN from Xbox to PC cross platform without an XBox Live subscription. Once the movie was released and they updated the game to add movie related content, this feature stopped working. Now to play multiplayer cross platform LAN, you have to pay for M$ servers you don’t use. You couldn’t even load your world locally on the XBox if it was marked for multiplayer unless you had an Xbox Live account, meaning you got locked out of your world. Fortunately you can edit the world setting to remove the multiplayer option to recover, but this was not documented at the time encountered.
- immibis 1y ago
  If you bought it from Notch, I think he gave you permission to pirate it if that ever happens.
darknavi 1y ago
For what it's worth the latest album (Chase the Skies) has some _very_ early Minecraft vibes.
schmorptron 1y ago
I understand this, and also partially feel this way as in it's garbo that they won't allow the artists to own their work and are able to strongarm this due to the size of Minecraft. On the other hand, I like a lot of the new tracks they've added as well and Lena Raine and the others have done a great job capturing the vibe while not just ripping off C418.
- natebc 1y ago
  Lena is an incredibly talented composer. If anybody is curious: https://lena.fyi/ https://lena.fyi/ The Celeste soundtrack is wonderful: https://radicaldreamland.bandcamp.com/album/celeste-original-soundtrack https://radicaldreamland.bandcamp.com/album/celeste-original...
mcv 1y ago
It annoys me even more that they forced everybody to migrate their Mojang accounts to Microsoft accounts. I never wanted a Microsoft account. They suck enormously, but even if you buy a non-Microsoft thing, you can apparently still be forced into their ecosystem.
- Nition 1y ago
  With the new launcher, if you're using a Local account on Windows, they also try to trick to into using the account you log into Minecraft with as your whole-OS account. Big "yes, use this everywhere!" (paraphrased) accept button and a little "actually I just want to log into Minecraft" text option trying to hide underneath.
  - Cyan488 1y ago
    It's these little slights, multiplied by hundreds of other instances across the Microsoft and Windows 'experience' that added compounding, non-insignificant mental fatigue to my life. It wasn't until I switched to Linux (Zorin) as my daily driver last month that I noticed this. Despite the initial adjustment pains, every time I open my laptop I now feel a sense of calm and stillness. My computer is exactly how I left it. It asks for my approval before doing things. It has no corporate agenda.
    - bschwindHN 1y ago
      I use windows maybe once a year to see if some software builds or maybe play a game for a bit. It's almost comical how bad the experience is every time. Your comment on mental fatigue nails it - nothing on its own is _that_ bad but it all adds up and elevates the baseline stress level when you just want to get some stuff done.
    - mcv 1y ago
      My oldest son switched to Linux last week, but already wants to switch back because of gaming performance. But he found something called Tiny10, which is apparently Windows without all the bloatware. That might be a solution for people who really don't want to switch to Linux. But I'm never going back to Windows.
msgodel 1y ago
Microsoft has pretty much only made Minecraft worse. Not maintaining it at all actually would have been better. Now I can't just set up a server and tell my friends to join it, I have to explain how to use an older client or how to install minetest.

by donatj 1y ago

It really annoys me that Microsoft brought in new composers. You're so insistent on "owning" the music you give up on a major part of what made the game what it is today.

jsiepkes 1y ago

I get why they want that. Otherwise every time they want to do something "out of the box" with Minecraft they have to go through corporate and IP lawyers first.

vintermann 1y ago
The only thing they couldn't do with C418's music, was to publish "Minecraft: the official soundtrack" and take all the royalties themselves. Nor could they claim YouTube videos for having Minecraft's original music in it (they did it several times "accidentally" when the movie came out, and stole a couple of million from YouTube makers). So no, I don't buy the "they'd have to go through lawyers" excuse. They could still have had blanket licenses for using the music in all sorts of ways, they just wouldn't own it.

encom 1y ago

I'm further annoyed that Microsoft stole Minecraft from me. I can't play a game a paid for. Absolute scumbags of the highest order.

Novosell 1y ago
Hmm? What'd they do to it?
- sneak 1y ago
  They require a Microsoft account. There was a period of time where you could port over your Mojang account, but I and many other people did not, because I didn't want a Microsoft account or to have to agree to the Microsoft Terms of Service, a new legal contract which didn't exist at the time I paid for Minecraft. It's a classic bait and switch. Then, the account migration window closed, and Mojang accounts stopped working. Now I and thousands of others can't play the game we paid good money for. Fuck Notch and Microsoft both.
  - Novosell 1y ago
    Oh shit. It's been more than a decade since I played Minecraft but sounds like I, too, have lost my account then.
    - deleted 1y ago
      [deleted]
  - tialaramex 1y ago
    > There was a period of time where you could port over your Mojang account, To be fair that was a fairly long period IIRC. And they really put some work into that last migration once they announced everything else is going away. Minecraft has all these legacy systems because nobody knew it would be huge, so during the Alpha and early Beta periods it's just whatever payment system they've cobbled together this week. I'm still not sure if the scattered piles of emails, account names, IDs, passwords, receipt codes or other detritus eventually persuaded them I'm tialaramex or whether the fact I'm just very obviously tialaramex (it's gestured at in my email address, it's my HN account handle, if I ever tweeted, which I do not, I would be @tialaramex, it's everywhere) prevailed and so that's why I got my tialaramex Minecraft persona connected to whatever nonsense Microsoft have. But either way, once we reached the "Now a human is needed" step they were as helpful as you could ask given how cheap Minecraft was back when I bought it. I think if you lost all contact for so long you weren't aware there was a migration it's not unreasonable to think if you suddenly regain interest you should pay for Minecraft. The current Minecraft is very different from what you last saw, albeit not in its essentials.
    - sneak 1y ago
      You are missing the point. I was well aware of it. I don’t want a Microsoft account. I don’t do business with Microsoft. Microsoft demanded that I agree to a new contract, the Microsoft Terms of Service, to which I do not and will not agree, to continue to use the game I already paid for. This is called a bait-and-switch. I paid money, got the product, used the product, then they altered the deal, Vader style. Sign this new contract or you lose your game. It’s bullshit any which way you slice it. Arguably it’s Mojang’s fault for selling to such a shitty acquirer and betraying their customers, not that we need any more reasons to understand what a total piece of trash Notch is.
- ARob109 1y ago
  That and before The Minecraft Movie came out, you could play multiplayer LAN from Xbox to PC cross platform without an XBox Live subscription. Once the movie was released and they updated the game to add movie related content, this feature stopped working. Now to play multiplayer cross platform LAN, you have to pay for M$ servers you don’t use. You couldn’t even load your world locally on the XBox if it was marked for multiplayer unless you had an Xbox Live account, meaning you got locked out of your world. Fortunately you can edit the world setting to remove the multiplayer option to recover, but this was not documented at the time encountered.
immibis 1y ago
If you bought it from Notch, I think he gave you permission to pirate it if that ever happens.

darknavi 1y ago

For what it's worth the latest album (Chase the Skies) has some _very_ early Minecraft vibes.

schmorptron 1y ago

I understand this, and also partially feel this way as in it's garbo that they won't allow the artists to own their work and are able to strongarm this due to the size of Minecraft. On the other hand, I like a lot of the new tracks they've added as well and Lena Raine and the others have done a great job capturing the vibe while not just ripping off C418.

natebc 1y ago
Lena is an incredibly talented composer. If anybody is curious: https://lena.fyi/ https://lena.fyi/ The Celeste soundtrack is wonderful: https://radicaldreamland.bandcamp.com/album/celeste-original-soundtrack https://radicaldreamland.bandcamp.com/album/celeste-original...

mcv 1y ago

It annoys me even more that they forced everybody to migrate their Mojang accounts to Microsoft accounts. I never wanted a Microsoft account. They suck enormously, but even if you buy a non-Microsoft thing, you can apparently still be forced into their ecosystem.

Nition 1y ago
With the new launcher, if you're using a Local account on Windows, they also try to trick to into using the account you log into Minecraft with as your whole-OS account. Big "yes, use this everywhere!" (paraphrased) accept button and a little "actually I just want to log into Minecraft" text option trying to hide underneath.
- Cyan488 1y ago
  It's these little slights, multiplied by hundreds of other instances across the Microsoft and Windows 'experience' that added compounding, non-insignificant mental fatigue to my life. It wasn't until I switched to Linux (Zorin) as my daily driver last month that I noticed this. Despite the initial adjustment pains, every time I open my laptop I now feel a sense of calm and stillness. My computer is exactly how I left it. It asks for my approval before doing things. It has no corporate agenda.
  - bschwindHN 1y ago
    I use windows maybe once a year to see if some software builds or maybe play a game for a bit. It's almost comical how bad the experience is every time. Your comment on mental fatigue nails it - nothing on its own is _that_ bad but it all adds up and elevates the baseline stress level when you just want to get some stuff done.
  - mcv 1y ago
    My oldest son switched to Linux last week, but already wants to switch back because of gaming performance. But he found something called Tiny10, which is apparently Windows without all the bloatware. That might be a solution for people who really don't want to switch to Linux. But I'm never going back to Windows.

msgodel 1y ago

Microsoft has pretty much only made Minecraft worse. Not maintaining it at all actually would have been better. Now I can't just set up a server and tell my friends to join it, I have to explain how to use an older client or how to install minetest.