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Yeah, this simply doesn't work for me; ie the expressions did not evaluate, and output was not made visible. I have never had a successful experience writing o

by rexpop 1y ago

Yeah, this simply doesn't work for me; ie the expressions did not evaluate, and output was not made visible. I have never had a successful experience writing or running programs in notebooks like this--although I have not, arguably, tried with high stakes. As soon as the stakes rise that far, however, I reach for a whole-ass Unix environment with a shell, a filesystem, and a stateful process model. Is this a crutch? Is it too much overhead? It's arguably absurd that I even ask. (Edit: It's actually killing me how ambiguous I'm being, right now. There's no winning.)

zahlman 1y ago
> As soon as the stakes rise that far, however, I reach for a whole-ass Unix environment with a shell, a filesystem, and a stateful process model. I don't understand what you mean by "reach for". Don't, for example, Linux desktop users have all these things at hand all the time? For me it would take much more effort to set up a "notebook" than a virtual environment.
- fragmede 1y ago
  For you, sure, but for someone that lives and breathes notebooks, running jupyter notebook and going to localhost:8888 already happened, so it's opening a terminal that's the extra step.
  - zahlman 1y ago
    ... How do you do those things without a terminal?
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    - hollerith 1y ago
      You would start the Jupyter application, then use a browser to go to localhost:8888 :) To start the application, you would typically use the start menu on Windows or the Dock on MacOS. Alternatively on MacOS you could point the Finder at the /Applications folder, then start the application from the Finder window. (This is not meant as an endorsement of notebooks.)
    - fragmede 1y ago
      install https://github.com/jupyterlab/jupyterlab-desktop https://github.com/jupyterlab/jupyterlab-desktop and double click
- rexpop 1y ago
  Average data scientist is a complete Unix dunce. (no disrespect) https://xkcd.com/2501/ https://xkcd.com/2501/

by rexpop 1y ago

zahlman 1y ago

> As soon as the stakes rise that far, however, I reach for a whole-ass Unix environment with a shell, a filesystem, and a stateful process model. I don't understand what you mean by "reach for". Don't, for example, Linux desktop users have all these things at hand all the time? For me it would take much more effort to set up a "notebook" than a virtual environment.

fragmede 1y ago
For you, sure, but for someone that lives and breathes notebooks, running jupyter notebook and going to localhost:8888 already happened, so it's opening a terminal that's the extra step.
- zahlman 1y ago
  ... How do you do those things without a terminal?
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  - hollerith 1y ago
    You would start the Jupyter application, then use a browser to go to localhost:8888 :) To start the application, you would typically use the start menu on Windows or the Dock on MacOS. Alternatively on MacOS you could point the Finder at the /Applications folder, then start the application from the Finder window. (This is not meant as an endorsement of notebooks.)
  - fragmede 1y ago
    install https://github.com/jupyterlab/jupyterlab-desktop https://github.com/jupyterlab/jupyterlab-desktop and double click
rexpop 1y ago
Average data scientist is a complete Unix dunce. (no disrespect) https://xkcd.com/2501/ https://xkcd.com/2501/