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Like what and like who? You don't think people who cannot naturally conceive deserve to have kids? Or something else?
by throwaway7783 1y ago
Like what and like who? You don't think people who cannot naturally conceive deserve to have kids? Or something else?
- mousethatroared 1y agoNo one deserves kids. Kids are not goods to buy off a shelf. Rather kids deserve parents. It's literally an inversion.
- throwaway7783 1y agoIf you are equating conceiving children with IVF to goods to be bought off the shelf, there is really nothing to talk about. Having biological kids is a hard-wired instinct, and one of the very basic survival-of-the-genes things. I have no idea what you mean by kids deserving parents. There are no kids without parents to begin with.
- mousethatroared 1y agoA lot of things are "hard wired" and yet we expect people to control themselves. Men's sexual drive, for example, is tuned to fairly rapey if not for a "patriarchal" society that crushes this drive through the threat of a girls father beating a boy to a pulp. Stats are pretty clear here too wrt sex workers and their relationship to their fathers. And IVF is a tragedy of rented wombs, unfulfilled motherhood dreams, expensive and painful surgeries almost exclusively brunt by women whilst profited by men. But I'm not worried. A society that inverts the child-parent merit is one whose open loop gain is less than one. It's pretty obvious why: those who think children are deserved are unlikely to have the ability of self-sacrifice to want more than the one, maybe two kids.
- throwaway7783 1y agoI think I will respectfully disagree and stop at that. There are a lot of assumptions and statements mentioned as absolute truths in your response. Children are celebrated. Rape is abhorred. I have no idea what you mean by IVF is rented wombs and profited by men. Are you confusing IVF to surrogacy?