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AirBnB partiers are a real problem, I live in a tourist destination and regularly hear horror stories about a residential neighborhood suddenly having crowds de

AirBnB partiers are a real problem, I live in a tourist destination and regularly hear horror stories about a residential neighborhood suddenly having crowds descend on a house that's become a party rental. There's nobody to notice it getting out of hand and tell them to chill before the neighbors call the cops because the owner is a holding company on the other side of the country. Of course Airbnbs are also a real problem in general with the way they increase the scarcity of housing, so I'm pretty happy all in all to see you saying you're being driven back to hotels.

majormajor 1y ago
Feels like a fun opportunity for a jurisdiction to legislate and pursue eminent domain seizures of "party homes" with absentee landlords.
HWR_14 1y ago
I think repeatedly calling the police is the correct way to handle an AirBnB party house in your neighborhood. I don't want to instead have the unpaid job of monitoring the guests for the absentee owner and be responsible for telling them to chill. Of course, a long term neighbor it is different. There the police would be a last resort.
vkou 1y ago
> AirBnB partiers are a real problem, They are, which is why residential properties that are used as hotels should be seized and auctioned off.
const_cast 1y ago
Then don't rent your house. This is a risk of rental properties. Look, if you have a house in a tourist spot and you say "no parties!", you're not gonna make any money. And if the residents don't like said parties, they can rally together to make AirBNBs illegal in their area. That's how many (most?) touristy places are.
- vorador 1y ago
  This is just pushing the externalities to the residents. It takes several months for airbnbs to get banned, and it's tough for smaller cities to get the bans enforced. There must be a better answer than "pass a law so the american multinational does a better job at regulating its rentals"
tbrownaw 1y ago
> Of course Airbnbs are also a real problem in general with the way they increase the scarcity of housing, What's the actual mechanism for airbnbs to prevent housing construction?
- sbarre 1y ago
  I'll assume good faith here: AirBnB rentals typically make more money for apartment and condo owners than long-term rentals, at least in big cities (that attract tourists) where there's often already scarce housing and not a lot of new affordable construction. So as housing units get taken off the long-term market rental (i.e. actually being used for housing) to be turned into short-term rental for AirBnB, it reduces the available stock for renters. And in many large cities small condos and purpose-built rentals are mostly what get built, because that's what investors are asking for - and builders build what they expect to sell and what they can profit on. But then the investors who buy these "homes" don't actually put them up for rent, they turn them into short-term rentals for tourists and visitors, and those dwellings are not available for the people who actually need to live in the city. This dual pressure on scarcity then drives up the rent on available properties because the demand goes up since there's less and less long-term rentals available for residents. So they don't necessarily "prevent housing construction" (what housing gets built is a topic a bit too complex to get into here) but they absolutely do reduce available housing in large cities and in-demand areas, in the ways outlined above. This is why many large metropolitan areas have either banned AirBnB or heavily regulated them (with mixed success, and rarely the honest participation of AirBnB themselves).
  - tbrownaw 1y ago
    > I'll assume good faith here: This tells me that you think that treating housing supply as a relevant factor to the price of housing is a stupidly obvious error. > So they don't necessarily "prevent housing construction" (what housing gets built is a topic a bit too complex to get into here) but they absolutely do reduce available housing in large cities and in-demand areas, in the ways outlined above. That you for agreeing that they do not prevent housing supply from increasing to meet the increased demand.

majormajor 1y ago

Feels like a fun opportunity for a jurisdiction to legislate and pursue eminent domain seizures of "party homes" with absentee landlords.

HWR_14 1y ago

I think repeatedly calling the police is the correct way to handle an AirBnB party house in your neighborhood. I don't want to instead have the unpaid job of monitoring the guests for the absentee owner and be responsible for telling them to chill. Of course, a long term neighbor it is different. There the police would be a last resort.

vkou 1y ago

> AirBnB partiers are a real problem, They are, which is why residential properties that are used as hotels should be seized and auctioned off.

const_cast 1y ago

Then don't rent your house. This is a risk of rental properties. Look, if you have a house in a tourist spot and you say "no parties!", you're not gonna make any money. And if the residents don't like said parties, they can rally together to make AirBNBs illegal in their area. That's how many (most?) touristy places are.

vorador 1y ago
This is just pushing the externalities to the residents. It takes several months for airbnbs to get banned, and it's tough for smaller cities to get the bans enforced. There must be a better answer than "pass a law so the american multinational does a better job at regulating its rentals"

tbrownaw 1y ago

> Of course Airbnbs are also a real problem in general with the way they increase the scarcity of housing, What's the actual mechanism for airbnbs to prevent housing construction?

sbarre 1y ago
I'll assume good faith here: AirBnB rentals typically make more money for apartment and condo owners than long-term rentals, at least in big cities (that attract tourists) where there's often already scarce housing and not a lot of new affordable construction. So as housing units get taken off the long-term market rental (i.e. actually being used for housing) to be turned into short-term rental for AirBnB, it reduces the available stock for renters. And in many large cities small condos and purpose-built rentals are mostly what get built, because that's what investors are asking for - and builders build what they expect to sell and what they can profit on. But then the investors who buy these "homes" don't actually put them up for rent, they turn them into short-term rentals for tourists and visitors, and those dwellings are not available for the people who actually need to live in the city. This dual pressure on scarcity then drives up the rent on available properties because the demand goes up since there's less and less long-term rentals available for residents. So they don't necessarily "prevent housing construction" (what housing gets built is a topic a bit too complex to get into here) but they absolutely do reduce available housing in large cities and in-demand areas, in the ways outlined above. This is why many large metropolitan areas have either banned AirBnB or heavily regulated them (with mixed success, and rarely the honest participation of AirBnB themselves).
- tbrownaw 1y ago
  > I'll assume good faith here: This tells me that you think that treating housing supply as a relevant factor to the price of housing is a stupidly obvious error. > So they don't necessarily "prevent housing construction" (what housing gets built is a topic a bit too complex to get into here) but they absolutely do reduce available housing in large cities and in-demand areas, in the ways outlined above. That you for agreeing that they do not prevent housing supply from increasing to meet the increased demand.