> This has nothing to do with a surveillance state My claim: there was not a surveillance state in the 1880s, because it was impossible, because they were miss

> This has nothing to do with a surveillance state My claim: there was not a surveillance state in the 1880s, because it was impossible, because they were missing the entirety of the surveillance apparatus. Now that apparatus is omnipresent. Did you think I thought coldplay was the government? It's clear you understand what the surveillance state is and that we are in one -- you even suggest that I should fight it (I do). The coldplay event does have something to do with state surveillance: it relied on all the same infrastructure.