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Why don't you show me 5 citations of renal failure from a confirmed psilocybe cubensis in the tens of thousands of years people have been eating them. Or... do

by jfyi 1y ago

Why don't you show me 5 citations of renal failure from a confirmed psilocybe cubensis in the tens of thousands of years people have been eating them. Or... don't bother, the one you will find is questionable at best if you read past the headline.

Joel_Mckay 1y ago
>Why don't you show me 5 citations of renal failure from a confirmed psilocybe cubensis Mostly, real doctors take "Primum non nocere" very seriously, and do not conflate therapeutic studies as proof organ damage isn't a risk. Fungal infection of those with compromised immune systems is harm. People do experiment on the desperate, but it is rarely ethical gambling with someone's life. The squirrels seem to enjoy their trip, but also seem less invested in trying to justify its safety. May you live an enjoyable life with authentic experiences. Have a glorious day. =3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNSHZG9blQQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNSHZG9blQQ
- jfyi 1y ago
  So no citations then? Seems pretty trollish after making demands for citations just prior. So, just to be clear, you have no evidence of renal failure from psilocybe cubensis?
  - Joel_Mckay 1y ago
    Actually, the citations above already warn 40% of users have neutral to negative side effects, and doesn't get into the consequences of allergic or nausea related symptoms (about 2 of the 5 papers seem of reasonable quality.) So to be clear, cancer patients have a lot of other problems that likely would confound which reported symptoms are related to which medication. Someone with access to the PsycINFO database login could clarify things for sure. If I recall it was a few cases of micro-dosing related organ failure cases that caught my attention. No idea which specific psilocybe mushroom was responsible. The Natives also used Datura, but rolling in your own excrement naked for 2 weeks with severe hallucinations isn't a popular recreational experience for some reason. A few kids die every so often trying to prepare the plant. Have a great day, and stay healthy =3 I must apologize for the low quality data here: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211753918301490 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221175391...
    - jfyi 1y ago
      You cited the one case in recorded history which I already pointed out existed. It's not the data that's questionable but the circumstances. His two friends ate from the same batch and were fine. I'd say that counts squarely as "no evidence". Besides, I asked for 5 citations. Also, you can keep the off topic babbling to a minimum. We are talking about the lack of evidence of renal failure resulting from psilocybe cubensis.
      - Joel_Mckay 1y ago
        Not really, the Proof burden falls on people to verify something poorly studied is safe, keeping their petulance in check, and acknowledging their BS when proven harmful. What seems like a detractor is an allusion to some therapeutic psychiatric citations describing native shamanistic traditions as some sort of qualifying safety feature in compounds. I really can't be bothered to pull more papers folks seem to simply ignore. The trivial counter-proof is there, and it is unethical to harm people for more data. Best of luck, and please keep an eye open for early signs of renal failure like persistent excessive foaming in urine etc. =3
        jfyi 1y ago
        So, you have zero examples and I have thousands of years of use with no evidence of what you claim. Burden of proof is definitely on you.
        Joel_Mckay 1y ago
        Except the physicians peer-reviewed published diagnostic data proving renal failure side-effects. Good luck, most Dealers/Junkies engage in argumentum ad hominem when confronted with their exploitive/maladaptive coping behavior. We will have to agree to disagree, =3
        jfyi 1y ago
        Which clearly exist only in your head. Disagree all you want, you failed to defend your point.

by jfyi 1y ago

Joel_Mckay 1y ago

>Why don't you show me 5 citations of renal failure from a confirmed psilocybe cubensis Mostly, real doctors take "Primum non nocere" very seriously, and do not conflate therapeutic studies as proof organ damage isn't a risk. Fungal infection of those with compromised immune systems is harm. People do experiment on the desperate, but it is rarely ethical gambling with someone's life. The squirrels seem to enjoy their trip, but also seem less invested in trying to justify its safety. May you live an enjoyable life with authentic experiences. Have a glorious day. =3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNSHZG9blQQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNSHZG9blQQ

jfyi 1y ago
So no citations then? Seems pretty trollish after making demands for citations just prior. So, just to be clear, you have no evidence of renal failure from psilocybe cubensis?
- Joel_Mckay 1y ago
  Actually, the citations above already warn 40% of users have neutral to negative side effects, and doesn't get into the consequences of allergic or nausea related symptoms (about 2 of the 5 papers seem of reasonable quality.) So to be clear, cancer patients have a lot of other problems that likely would confound which reported symptoms are related to which medication. Someone with access to the PsycINFO database login could clarify things for sure. If I recall it was a few cases of micro-dosing related organ failure cases that caught my attention. No idea which specific psilocybe mushroom was responsible. The Natives also used Datura, but rolling in your own excrement naked for 2 weeks with severe hallucinations isn't a popular recreational experience for some reason. A few kids die every so often trying to prepare the plant. Have a great day, and stay healthy =3 I must apologize for the low quality data here: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211753918301490 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221175391...
  - jfyi 1y ago
    You cited the one case in recorded history which I already pointed out existed. It's not the data that's questionable but the circumstances. His two friends ate from the same batch and were fine. I'd say that counts squarely as "no evidence". Besides, I asked for 5 citations. Also, you can keep the off topic babbling to a minimum. We are talking about the lack of evidence of renal failure resulting from psilocybe cubensis.
    - Joel_Mckay 1y ago
      Not really, the Proof burden falls on people to verify something poorly studied is safe, keeping their petulance in check, and acknowledging their BS when proven harmful. What seems like a detractor is an allusion to some therapeutic psychiatric citations describing native shamanistic traditions as some sort of qualifying safety feature in compounds. I really can't be bothered to pull more papers folks seem to simply ignore. The trivial counter-proof is there, and it is unethical to harm people for more data. Best of luck, and please keep an eye open for early signs of renal failure like persistent excessive foaming in urine etc. =3
      - jfyi 1y ago
        So, you have zero examples and I have thousands of years of use with no evidence of what you claim. Burden of proof is definitely on you.
        Joel_Mckay 1y ago
        Except the physicians peer-reviewed published diagnostic data proving renal failure side-effects. Good luck, most Dealers/Junkies engage in argumentum ad hominem when confronted with their exploitive/maladaptive coping behavior. We will have to agree to disagree, =3
        jfyi 1y ago
        Which clearly exist only in your head. Disagree all you want, you failed to defend your point.