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> Which is very much what Europes market looks like today. Stasis and shifting to a stagnating middle. Preferable to a burgeoning oligarchy.

by messe 1y ago

adastra22 1y ago
No, that... that's exactly what we have today. An oligarchy persists through captured state regulation. A more free market would have a constantly changing top.
- messe 1y ago
  Historically, freer markets have lead to monopolies. It's why we have antitrust regulations in the first place (now if only they were enforced...)
  - adastra22 1y ago
    Depends on the time horizon you look at. A completely unregulated market usually ends up dominated by monopolists… who last a generation or two and then are usurped and become declining oligarchs. True all the way back to the Medici. In a rigidly regulated market with preemptive action by regulators (like EU, Japan) you end up with a persistent oligarchy that is never replaced. An aristocracy of sorts. The middle road is the best. Set up a fair playing field and rules of the game, but allow innovation to happen unhindered, until the dust has settled. There should be regulation, but the rules must be bought with blood. The risk of premature regulation is worse.
    - messe 1y ago
      > There should be regulation, but the rules must be bought with blood. That's an awfully callous approach, and displays a disturbing lack of empathy toward other people.
      - adastra22 1y ago
        Calculated, not callous. Quite the opposite: precaution kills people every day, just not as visibly. This is especially true in the area of medicine where innovation (new medicines) aren’t made available even when no other treatment is approved. People die every day by the hundreds of thousands of diseases that we could be innovating against.
yawboakye 1y ago
eu resident here. i’ve observed with sadness what a scared and terrified lots the europeans have become. but at least their young people can do drugs, party 72 hours straight, and graffiti all walls in berlin so hey what’s not to like? one day some historian will be able to pinpoint the exact point in time that europe chose to be anti-progress and fervent traditionalist hell-bent on protecting pizza recipes, ruins of ancient civilization, and a so-called single market. one day!

> Which is very much what Europes market looks like today. Stasis and shifting to a stagnating middle. Preferable to a burgeoning oligarchy.

by messe 1y ago

> Which is very much what Europes market looks like today. Stasis and shifting to a stagnating middle. Preferable to a burgeoning oligarchy.

adastra22 1y ago

No, that... that's exactly what we have today. An oligarchy persists through captured state regulation. A more free market would have a constantly changing top.

messe 1y ago
Historically, freer markets have lead to monopolies. It's why we have antitrust regulations in the first place (now if only they were enforced...)
- adastra22 1y ago
  Depends on the time horizon you look at. A completely unregulated market usually ends up dominated by monopolists… who last a generation or two and then are usurped and become declining oligarchs. True all the way back to the Medici. In a rigidly regulated market with preemptive action by regulators (like EU, Japan) you end up with a persistent oligarchy that is never replaced. An aristocracy of sorts. The middle road is the best. Set up a fair playing field and rules of the game, but allow innovation to happen unhindered, until the dust has settled. There should be regulation, but the rules must be bought with blood. The risk of premature regulation is worse.
  - messe 1y ago
    > There should be regulation, but the rules must be bought with blood. That's an awfully callous approach, and displays a disturbing lack of empathy toward other people.
    - adastra22 1y ago
      Calculated, not callous. Quite the opposite: precaution kills people every day, just not as visibly. This is especially true in the area of medicine where innovation (new medicines) aren’t made available even when no other treatment is approved. People die every day by the hundreds of thousands of diseases that we could be innovating against.

yawboakye 1y ago

eu resident here. i’ve observed with sadness what a scared and terrified lots the europeans have become. but at least their young people can do drugs, party 72 hours straight, and graffiti all walls in berlin so hey what’s not to like? one day some historian will be able to pinpoint the exact point in time that europe chose to be anti-progress and fervent traditionalist hell-bent on protecting pizza recipes, ruins of ancient civilization, and a so-called single market. one day!