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Also thought that was quite wasteful. Even ethernet cables are cut. Why not just put them online for free pickup? Also I can't help wondering if the switch to

by treve 1y ago

Also thought that was quite wasteful. Even ethernet cables are cut. Why not just put them online for free pickup? Also I can't help wondering if the switch to cloud makes sense for stack overflow now again because their traffic collapsed. I took the whole post as something that should be mourned a bit, not gleefully destroyed.

ZeroSolstice 1y ago
Free pickup? at a secure data center? Lets use some logic here. The disposal company is taking the cables with them to recycle them for the copper wire. Same with power cables.
- treve 1y ago
  They're cables, someone can pick them up and move them somewhere else. Some more logic for ya
  - ZeroSolstice 1y ago
    Where? Should they drop them at a starbucks out front? Have an employee volunteer their home address? Put them out front at the office? How long should they hold onto the "free" cables that people are going to ask ridiculous questions such as "Do they work? When were they tested?" Are you going to force people to take all the cable or allow random selections? Are you going to waste the cost savings of moving to the cloud to have one of your tech people monitor requests for pickup? What if no one picks them up are you calling the recycler out again to pick up the cables you could have just given them? Anyone who has posted "free" things online knows it comes a cost, thats the logic part I was referring too. When you work through the scenarios the "logical" conclusion is to give them to the recycler that you already have out at the datacenter for the systems you are decommissioning.
    - sebstefan 1y ago
      Totally unsolvable problems! Let's give up (Put them in a box that says "free" in the lobby of the NY office then throw what hasn't been taken a month later)
      - dpoloncsak 1y ago
        You show me the incentive and I'll show you the outcome
      - ZeroSolstice 1y ago
        [dead]
    - treve 1y ago
      This is such an absurd argument. It's wild that you took the time to write this. But the next time you run into a problem like this, just ask a co-worker. I'm sure they can handle the logistics of giving something away for free.
      - ZeroSolstice 1y ago
        [dead]
    - blibble 1y ago
      a skip out the back normally empties itself of any valuable items
kjellsbells 1y ago
I wondered that, too. The scalability of cloud is ok when you are growing but truly wonderful when you are shrinking. Stack Overflow used to serve over half a billion page views per month on only 25 servers[0]. I wonder how much traffic they get now, excluding crawlers? Anecdotally, one of the reasons for SO's decline is that an LLM gives you the SO answer without the condescending snark. SO could have fixed that years ago, but didn't. So perhaps it might turn out to be yet another example of the dictum that culture eats strategy for breakfast. [0] https://highscalability.com/stackoverflow-update-560m-pageviews-a-month-25-servers-and-i/ https://highscalability.com/stackoverflow-update-560m-pagevi...

by treve 1y ago

ZeroSolstice 1y ago

Free pickup? at a secure data center? Lets use some logic here. The disposal company is taking the cables with them to recycle them for the copper wire. Same with power cables.

treve 1y ago
They're cables, someone can pick them up and move them somewhere else. Some more logic for ya
- ZeroSolstice 1y ago
  Where? Should they drop them at a starbucks out front? Have an employee volunteer their home address? Put them out front at the office? How long should they hold onto the "free" cables that people are going to ask ridiculous questions such as "Do they work? When were they tested?" Are you going to force people to take all the cable or allow random selections? Are you going to waste the cost savings of moving to the cloud to have one of your tech people monitor requests for pickup? What if no one picks them up are you calling the recycler out again to pick up the cables you could have just given them? Anyone who has posted "free" things online knows it comes a cost, thats the logic part I was referring too. When you work through the scenarios the "logical" conclusion is to give them to the recycler that you already have out at the datacenter for the systems you are decommissioning.
  - sebstefan 1y ago
    Totally unsolvable problems! Let's give up (Put them in a box that says "free" in the lobby of the NY office then throw what hasn't been taken a month later)
    - dpoloncsak 1y ago
      You show me the incentive and I'll show you the outcome
    - ZeroSolstice 1y ago
      [dead]
  - treve 1y ago
    This is such an absurd argument. It's wild that you took the time to write this. But the next time you run into a problem like this, just ask a co-worker. I'm sure they can handle the logistics of giving something away for free.
    - ZeroSolstice 1y ago
      [dead]
  - blibble 1y ago
    a skip out the back normally empties itself of any valuable items

kjellsbells 1y ago

I wondered that, too. The scalability of cloud is ok when you are growing but truly wonderful when you are shrinking. Stack Overflow used to serve over half a billion page views per month on only 25 servers[0]. I wonder how much traffic they get now, excluding crawlers? Anecdotally, one of the reasons for SO's decline is that an LLM gives you the SO answer without the condescending snark. SO could have fixed that years ago, but didn't. So perhaps it might turn out to be yet another example of the dictum that culture eats strategy for breakfast. [0] https://highscalability.com/stackoverflow-update-560m-pageviews-a-month-25-servers-and-i/ https://highscalability.com/stackoverflow-update-560m-pagevi...