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I think this is a bit of a strawman. The market for people who get addicted to gruesome gore and are willing to pay money to see it is several orders of magnitu

I think this is a bit of a strawman. The market for people who get addicted to gruesome gore and are willing to pay money to see it is several orders of magnitude smaller than people willing to pay to see porn or OnlyFans. There is simply far more risk with adult content as a result and a lot more chargebacks from disatisfied customers with a post nut clarity.

edoceo 1y ago
Are you saying porn buyers regret and that gore buyers do not? (As a broad generalization). Are you also asserting that's built in to risk-profole that payment gateways have?
- johnebgd 1y ago
  I don’t have time for o look at the stats and provide quotes / cite sources but it does seem from what I’ve read on the topic that the more people play gore games the less violence there is in society. If that’s true, maybe it’s also true that the more people have access to adult content the less babies we create as a society. A society shrinking causes a number of issues.
  - achenet 1y ago
    Correlation is not causation. The US had more TVs per capita than Congo, and a higher life expectancy. Sending more TVs to Congo probably won't do much for their life expectancy though. Similarly, I suspect the increase in violent video games and reduction of actual violence is just a side effect of an increasingly technology driven society.
Nevermark 1y ago
So grotesque violence appeals to fewer people, but banning gets focused on material more people find acceptable, even desirable? This really is a culture/posture driven issue. It is not as if many people think (emphasis on "think", as in being honest, reasoning carefully and being scientific about evidence) that banning sexy curves in a video game is going to impact the prevalence of sexy curve imagery, or "save" anyone from anything. Imagine if financial companies required their employees to sign a legal statement committing to not "use porn, escorts, blow ... or spicy video games!" So strange that they don't do that!! Financial companies like to make a show of having "high standards" when it comes to "controversial" segments of the market, or unfortunate individuals who don't fit the mold, when that gets them a lot of showy theatre for being hard asses to their audience of regulators. While keeping very quiet, and not looking into things too hard, when it comes to tens of billions of sketchy dollars going through their systems associated with very high net worth criminal actors, organizations and corrupt governments. Epstein did not lack for financial services.
- deadbabe 1y ago
  What a gross endorsement of Jeffery Epstein.
  - cindyllm 1y ago
    [dead]
  - Nevermark 1y ago
    Perhaps re-read with more care? There was no endorsement of Epstein. There was a callout of multiple types of bank hypocrisy. Contrasting bank's "concerns" about small time erotic material vs. their lack of concern about employees use of erotic material, and the blind eyes they turn for major criminals, include prolific trafficking/pedophilic billionaires.
simpaticoder 1y ago
The GP highlights a classic observation: America's nearly unique cultural contradiction, where nudity and sex are considered highly offensive, while gore and violence are widely accepted.
- winchester6788 1y ago
  This holds true in most other countries as well. Gore/ chopping of appendages is happily accepted and enjoyed (in movies, games etc) by all of India, whilst a simple kiss can be a taboo/ issue.
  - Jach 1y ago
    Japan has some of the weirdest/inconsistent rules around this stuff. Black lines or mozaic partial censorship of genitals, incest/stuff with minors widely available, and then you have some pretty violent uncensored movies, manga/anime, and games (though while it's mostly a China thing, sometimes the blood gets censored to be white instead of red which doesn't actually make it better (also sometimes done for urine)), GTA5 is as popular there as anywhere, but game franchises like Mortal Kombat are banned. And of course, even in America, we tend to like our violence and gore more over-the-top and simulated. Most people didn't care for liveleak type content, even fewer for not so hard to find footage from ongoing wars.
    - numpad0 1y ago
      Japan runs custom scratch-built implementation of ethics reverse engineered from Western cultures. That's all. Consistence is key, but it's consistent only with itself, and nothing else, and explicitly not aligned to Christian religious scripts. Nothing Japanese is compatible with anything unless and until it is the sole dominant standard, like Sony storage media or Apple hardware. Always has been.
- arrowsmith 1y ago
  This really isn't unique to America.
zulban 1y ago
You must be American if you think very violent games are not extremely popular.
- thfuran 1y ago
  They’re extremely popular in America.
- hervature 1y ago
  I think they are referring to actual gore. For example, bull fighting.
the_af 1y ago
> There is simply far more risk with adult content as a result and a lot more chargebacks from disatisfied customers with a post nut clarity. Do you have any evidence to back this wild claim? I've never heard this argument about chargebacks made before. I don't think it's about this at all. I think it's about policing content, but then the observation of GP's comment applies: why is violence ok, but sex is not?

edoceo 1y ago

Are you saying porn buyers regret and that gore buyers do not? (As a broad generalization). Are you also asserting that's built in to risk-profole that payment gateways have?

johnebgd 1y ago
I don’t have time for o look at the stats and provide quotes / cite sources but it does seem from what I’ve read on the topic that the more people play gore games the less violence there is in society. If that’s true, maybe it’s also true that the more people have access to adult content the less babies we create as a society. A society shrinking causes a number of issues.
- achenet 1y ago
  Correlation is not causation. The US had more TVs per capita than Congo, and a higher life expectancy. Sending more TVs to Congo probably won't do much for their life expectancy though. Similarly, I suspect the increase in violent video games and reduction of actual violence is just a side effect of an increasingly technology driven society.

Nevermark 1y ago

So grotesque violence appeals to fewer people, but banning gets focused on material more people find acceptable, even desirable? This really is a culture/posture driven issue. It is not as if many people think (emphasis on "think", as in being honest, reasoning carefully and being scientific about evidence) that banning sexy curves in a video game is going to impact the prevalence of sexy curve imagery, or "save" anyone from anything. Imagine if financial companies required their employees to sign a legal statement committing to not "use porn, escorts, blow ... or spicy video games!" So strange that they don't do that!! Financial companies like to make a show of having "high standards" when it comes to "controversial" segments of the market, or unfortunate individuals who don't fit the mold, when that gets them a lot of showy theatre for being hard asses to their audience of regulators. While keeping very quiet, and not looking into things too hard, when it comes to tens of billions of sketchy dollars going through their systems associated with very high net worth criminal actors, organizations and corrupt governments. Epstein did not lack for financial services.

deadbabe 1y ago
What a gross endorsement of Jeffery Epstein.
- cindyllm 1y ago
  [dead]
- Nevermark 1y ago
  Perhaps re-read with more care? There was no endorsement of Epstein. There was a callout of multiple types of bank hypocrisy. Contrasting bank's "concerns" about small time erotic material vs. their lack of concern about employees use of erotic material, and the blind eyes they turn for major criminals, include prolific trafficking/pedophilic billionaires.

simpaticoder 1y ago

The GP highlights a classic observation: America's nearly unique cultural contradiction, where nudity and sex are considered highly offensive, while gore and violence are widely accepted.

winchester6788 1y ago
This holds true in most other countries as well. Gore/ chopping of appendages is happily accepted and enjoyed (in movies, games etc) by all of India, whilst a simple kiss can be a taboo/ issue.
- Jach 1y ago
  Japan has some of the weirdest/inconsistent rules around this stuff. Black lines or mozaic partial censorship of genitals, incest/stuff with minors widely available, and then you have some pretty violent uncensored movies, manga/anime, and games (though while it's mostly a China thing, sometimes the blood gets censored to be white instead of red which doesn't actually make it better (also sometimes done for urine)), GTA5 is as popular there as anywhere, but game franchises like Mortal Kombat are banned. And of course, even in America, we tend to like our violence and gore more over-the-top and simulated. Most people didn't care for liveleak type content, even fewer for not so hard to find footage from ongoing wars.
  - numpad0 1y ago
    Japan runs custom scratch-built implementation of ethics reverse engineered from Western cultures. That's all. Consistence is key, but it's consistent only with itself, and nothing else, and explicitly not aligned to Christian religious scripts. Nothing Japanese is compatible with anything unless and until it is the sole dominant standard, like Sony storage media or Apple hardware. Always has been.
arrowsmith 1y ago
This really isn't unique to America.

zulban 1y ago

You must be American if you think very violent games are not extremely popular.

thfuran 1y ago
They’re extremely popular in America.
hervature 1y ago
I think they are referring to actual gore. For example, bull fighting.

the_af 1y ago

> There is simply far more risk with adult content as a result and a lot more chargebacks from disatisfied customers with a post nut clarity. Do you have any evidence to back this wild claim? I've never heard this argument about chargebacks made before. I don't think it's about this at all. I think it's about policing content, but then the observation of GP's comment applies: why is violence ok, but sex is not?