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The taxpayer was lied to repeatedly and under the belief of many many many lies, unwittingly voted to get rid of it.

by ujkhsjkdhf234 1y ago

jabjq 1y ago
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- ujkhsjkdhf234 1y ago
  Are you saying they weren't lied to? Like Trump saying he knew nothing about Project 2025 which was a lie.
  - nosianu 1y ago
    > Are you saying they weren't lied to? I think Trump & team have been very open about their intentions. There's even his entire first presidency to look at. At most, some of his voters might be surprised that he actually follows through on exactly what he promised (for example some of those voting for him now surprised about being targeted by ICE, including farmers fearing for their cheap workforce). So sure, lots of lies, on the other hand and at the same time everything was planned and prepared quite openly.
- intended 1y ago
  We can actually show that the American public are lied to, and continue to be lied to. Yes - I can get the point you are making - “democracy for me but not for thee” is BS. Sure! But the evidence is that theres one media network which is simply selling whatever story works, along side a 50+ year effort to kill trust in institutions. We can even show that the republican machinery gave up on bipartisanship - hell, it’s even public knowledge. But that wouldn’t make a whit of a difference to voting patterns, or your point. Because your point doesn’t need to be based in the long history of complicated malfeasance that rots all English speaking democracies. It’s anchored in your current state and argument. So yeah, people voted.
- const_cast 1y ago
  > unpalatable See, this is a weasel word. Nobody said it was unpalatable, they said it was bad, because it is. Do you want bad things to happen? No? Okay then, everyone should be on the same page.
- unethical_ban 1y ago
  Did they say "Democracy is bad"? For that matter, did they say "Democracy is good"? No, they didn't. In case you don't know, that's called a "straw man fallacy".
throwawaymaths 1y ago
well the republican party has been talking for decades about removing EPA, DOE, etc. and has gotten lots of votes on those premises, so "they" make good on that promise and now the "voter has been lied to"? you could have made the same claim if the republicabs did nothing.
- beej71 1y ago
  The lie is that getting rid of these agencies is a good thing.
  - tbrownaw 1y ago
    Saying that something is good (or bad) feels more like an "ought" statement than a proper "is" statement, ie not in a category that's capable of being a lie.

The taxpayer was lied to repeatedly and under the belief of many many many lies, unwittingly voted to get rid of it.

jabjq 1y ago

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ujkhsjkdhf234 1y ago
Are you saying they weren't lied to? Like Trump saying he knew nothing about Project 2025 which was a lie.
- nosianu 1y ago
  > Are you saying they weren't lied to? I think Trump & team have been very open about their intentions. There's even his entire first presidency to look at. At most, some of his voters might be surprised that he actually follows through on exactly what he promised (for example some of those voting for him now surprised about being targeted by ICE, including farmers fearing for their cheap workforce). So sure, lots of lies, on the other hand and at the same time everything was planned and prepared quite openly.
intended 1y ago
We can actually show that the American public are lied to, and continue to be lied to. Yes - I can get the point you are making - “democracy for me but not for thee” is BS. Sure! But the evidence is that theres one media network which is simply selling whatever story works, along side a 50+ year effort to kill trust in institutions. We can even show that the republican machinery gave up on bipartisanship - hell, it’s even public knowledge. But that wouldn’t make a whit of a difference to voting patterns, or your point. Because your point doesn’t need to be based in the long history of complicated malfeasance that rots all English speaking democracies. It’s anchored in your current state and argument. So yeah, people voted.
const_cast 1y ago
> unpalatable See, this is a weasel word. Nobody said it was unpalatable, they said it was bad, because it is. Do you want bad things to happen? No? Okay then, everyone should be on the same page.
unethical_ban 1y ago
Did they say "Democracy is bad"? For that matter, did they say "Democracy is good"? No, they didn't. In case you don't know, that's called a "straw man fallacy".

throwawaymaths 1y ago

well the republican party has been talking for decades about removing EPA, DOE, etc. and has gotten lots of votes on those premises, so "they" make good on that promise and now the "voter has been lied to"? you could have made the same claim if the republicabs did nothing.

beej71 1y ago
The lie is that getting rid of these agencies is a good thing.
- tbrownaw 1y ago
  Saying that something is good (or bad) feels more like an "ought" statement than a proper "is" statement, ie not in a category that's capable of being a lie.