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>And it has absolutely fucking nothing to do w/surveillance; this could have happened anywhere, at any time in history, with or without technology. It absolute

>And it has absolutely fucking nothing to do w/surveillance; this could have happened anywhere, at any time in history, with or without technology. It absolutely has. This is what real everyday surveillance is that shapes people's behavior. When you cannot go anywhere without in your head thinking "am I on a camera or a microphone?" you're in a surveillance society. It's significantly more insidious and pervasive than any public camera is. I recently talked with a friend about the fact that you don't see people going skinny dipping any more as we did when we were teenagers spending a day at a lake, and it's pretty obvious why. Smartphone cameras, everyone says they're afraid that someone takes an unflattering picture and shares it with the entire internet. That's how you breed a nation of neurotic people. This wasn't possible a few decades ago or at least not practical. Every single spot with an internet connection has effectively become a stage where the slightest mishap can turn you into a joke in front of an infinitely large audience. It is no surprise that the mental state of young people is what it is and why they're anxious about the most everyday things. It's literally the logic of the Panopticon, you're going to police yourself harder than anyone externally ever could.

tpmoney 1y ago
> It absolutely has. This is what real everyday surveillance is that shapes people's behavior. When you cannot go anywhere without in your head thinking "am I on a camera or a microphone?" you're in a surveillance society. It's significantly more insidious and pervasive than any public camera is. I’ve heard discussion around this idea that used “panopticon” as the descriptor. An all seeng eye that might or might not be looking at you right now, but since you can never know, you’re better off not doing anything the eye’s controllers disapprove of.
UltraSane 1y ago
They went to a PUBLIC concert with thousands of other people. They could have just as easily ran into people they know as been shown on TV. If you are having an affair don't go to very crowded public places. Not too long ago they would have been publicly shamed.

tpmoney 1y ago

> It absolutely has. This is what real everyday surveillance is that shapes people's behavior. When you cannot go anywhere without in your head thinking "am I on a camera or a microphone?" you're in a surveillance society. It's significantly more insidious and pervasive than any public camera is. I’ve heard discussion around this idea that used “panopticon” as the descriptor. An all seeng eye that might or might not be looking at you right now, but since you can never know, you’re better off not doing anything the eye’s controllers disapprove of.

UltraSane 1y ago

They went to a PUBLIC concert with thousands of other people. They could have just as easily ran into people they know as been shown on TV. If you are having an affair don't go to very crowded public places. Not too long ago they would have been publicly shamed.