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But then what is the trial about? A driver neglected to stop for a stop sign and somehow Tesla is at fault? Surely the driver had to know his car did not take

But then what is the trial about? A driver neglected to stop for a stop sign and somehow Tesla is at fault? Surely the driver had to know his car did not take over these functions and if the software was not designed to do this, then it couldn't have malfunctioned.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> Surely the driver had to know his car did not take over these functions “Before the crash, McGee had engaged the system that Tesla calls Autopilot, which can steer, brake and accelerate the car on its own. … Lawyers for the plaintiffs accuse the company of overpromising what its technology can do in order to sell cars. … In 2016, the company posted a video of what appears to be a car equipped with Autopilot driving on its own. ‘The person in the driver's seat is only there for legal reasons,’ reads a caption that flashes at the beginning of the video. ‘He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself.’ (Six years later, a senior Tesla engineer conceded as part of a separate lawsuit that the video was staged and did not represent the true capabilities of the car.) https://www.npr.org/2025/07/14/nx-s1-5462851/tesla-lawsuit-autopilot-florida https://www.npr.org/2025/07/14/nx-s1-5462851/tesla-lawsuit-a...
- constantcrying 1y ago
  Did the driver know his car would not stop for stop signs? If he knew it wouldn't, then Tesla obviously is innocent and all blame lies with the driver.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > If he knew it wouldn't We wouldn’t be talking about it.
    - constantcrying 1y ago
      And that was a valid defense when he was sued for the wrongful death? Or in his criminal case?
    - bryanlarsen 1y ago
      He obviously did know, and yet we are talking about it. Not stopping at every stop sign and red light is pretty obvious behavior. This wasn't the first stop sign the driver encountered in the Tesla.
      - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > This wasn't the first stop sign the driver encountered in the Tesla If the Tesla just blew a stop sign there wouldn’t be a suit. My Subaru has collision avoidance. It markets this, albeit somewhat carefully. If the collision detection-and-avoidance system straight up didn’t work, and I got injured in an accident because of it, I’d hold both the driver and Subaru responsible. Because they sold me a thing that they claimed would do something it didn’t. Tesla’s collision-avoidance system was marketed as an autopilot that didn’t need human supervision except for legal reasons. It didn’t work. And it failed in a way cars with collision-avoidance radars probable wouldn’t have.
      - queenkjuul 1y ago
        Do you actually know this is not the first stop sign they drove through on autopilot?
ndsipa_pomu 1y ago
What functions does the Autopilot actually provide? Is that different to the capabilities that Tesla advertises?

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> Surely the driver had to know his car did not take over these functions “Before the crash, McGee had engaged the system that Tesla calls Autopilot, which can steer, brake and accelerate the car on its own. … Lawyers for the plaintiffs accuse the company of overpromising what its technology can do in order to sell cars. … In 2016, the company posted a video of what appears to be a car equipped with Autopilot driving on its own. ‘The person in the driver's seat is only there for legal reasons,’ reads a caption that flashes at the beginning of the video. ‘He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself.’ (Six years later, a senior Tesla engineer conceded as part of a separate lawsuit that the video was staged and did not represent the true capabilities of the car.) https://www.npr.org/2025/07/14/nx-s1-5462851/tesla-lawsuit-autopilot-florida https://www.npr.org/2025/07/14/nx-s1-5462851/tesla-lawsuit-a...

constantcrying 1y ago
Did the driver know his car would not stop for stop signs? If he knew it wouldn't, then Tesla obviously is innocent and all blame lies with the driver.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > If he knew it wouldn't We wouldn’t be talking about it.
  - constantcrying 1y ago
    And that was a valid defense when he was sued for the wrongful death? Or in his criminal case?
  - bryanlarsen 1y ago
    He obviously did know, and yet we are talking about it. Not stopping at every stop sign and red light is pretty obvious behavior. This wasn't the first stop sign the driver encountered in the Tesla.
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > This wasn't the first stop sign the driver encountered in the Tesla If the Tesla just blew a stop sign there wouldn’t be a suit. My Subaru has collision avoidance. It markets this, albeit somewhat carefully. If the collision detection-and-avoidance system straight up didn’t work, and I got injured in an accident because of it, I’d hold both the driver and Subaru responsible. Because they sold me a thing that they claimed would do something it didn’t. Tesla’s collision-avoidance system was marketed as an autopilot that didn’t need human supervision except for legal reasons. It didn’t work. And it failed in a way cars with collision-avoidance radars probable wouldn’t have.
    - queenkjuul 1y ago
      Do you actually know this is not the first stop sign they drove through on autopilot?

ndsipa_pomu 1y ago

What functions does the Autopilot actually provide? Is that different to the capabilities that Tesla advertises?