> They have literally written down, stated in interviews, repeatedly, that these are what their goals are. Something I find baffling - even disturbing - is the

> They have literally written down, stated in interviews, repeatedly, that these are what their goals are. Something I find baffling - even disturbing - is the number of apparently intelligent, reasonable people who hear what these bad actors say, read what these bad actors write, but repeatedly construct alternative interpretations that amount to "when they say they to want break our society, they actually mean something else"