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Man, this makes me really miss Actual Journalism.

anonymousiam 1y ago
I've seen lots of negative comments (and negative moderation) on HN toward content sourced from Fox News and The Washington Times (and other "conservative" outlets). This article seems to claim that those two employed the only journalists actually pursuing this story, and that other outlets (such as The Washington Post) were actively trying to discredit or sabotage their work. I'm in the small minority that only gets news by reading, and the stuff I read comes from many different politically biased views. Do this for a while and you'll see that the bias is always present (one way or the other), but the news stories themselves still usually have (at least some) merit.
- adamrezich 1y ago
  Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but I simply found it startling that the article was so well-written, and well-researched, given that my only exposure to Salon has been since the “bloggification of news”, which has seen them become just as much of a shitrag as everyone else these days. But this guy put some serious time and effort into researching this story, and then further time and effort to coalesce it into this article—all from a highly inquisitive, truth-seeking perspective, devoid (as far as I can tell anyway) of any sort of partisan bias, or predetermined “angle” to the story that he's trying to push. Boy would it be nice if we saw more Actual Investigative Journalism like this, these days!
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- like_any_other 1y ago
  > other outlets (such as The Washington Post) were actively trying to discredit or sabotage their work. This is news to me. Can you share more about it, articles published, etc..?
  - anonymousiam 1y ago
    Did you read the article? -- Still, the U.S. press was uninterested. Just one day after the Le Monde report, the Washington Post ran a story on March 6 that seemed to put the whole thing to rest. Headlined “Reports of Israeli Spy Ring Dismissed,” the piece, by John Mintz and Dan Eggen, opened with official denials from a “wide array of U.S. officials” and quoted Justice Department spokeswoman Susan Dryden as saying, “This seems to be an urban myth that has been circulating for months. The department has no information at this time to substantiate these widespread reports about Israeli art students involved in espionage.” The Post quoted anonymous officials who said they thought the allegations had been “circulated by a single employee of the Drug Enforcement Administration who is angry that his theories have not gained currency … [T]wo law enforcement officials said the disgruntled DEA agent, who disagreed with the conclusion of FBI and CIA intelligence experts that no spying was taking place, appears to be leaking a memo that he himself wrote.” --
    - like_any_other 1y ago
      > Did you read the article? I did not, and I read your comment very sloppily it seems - thank you for answering anyway :)
- jamespo 1y ago
  Things have changed a lot in 20 years but well done on having an open mind
  - anonymousiam 1y ago
    I agree that things have changed. Objective journalism has suffered greatly over the past 20 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advocacy_journalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advocacy_journalism
jd3 1y ago
> What is especially remarkable, however, is how quickly the Fox News report appeared and then vanished. Internet sources say that when someone stumbles upon evidence of a possible conspiracy, such as the ones noted above, most journalists say it’s nothing but trouble to pursue it. Even if leads are developed, editors tend to ignore them. Some make it clear that such leads can hurt the writers professionally. Eyewitness reports regarding the Israeli peddlers from authoritative sources, however, make the story of the Israeli squads impossible to dismiss. https://www.wrmea.org/2002-may/israeli-trainees-and-mossad-agents-swept-up-in-9/11-net.html https://www.wrmea.org/2002-may/israeli-trainees-and-mossad-a...
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I've seen lots of negative comments (and negative moderation) on HN toward content sourced from Fox News and The Washington Times (and other "conservative" outlets). This article seems to claim that those two employed the only journalists actually pursuing this story, and that other outlets (such as The Washington Post) were actively trying to discredit or sabotage their work. I'm in the small minority that only gets news by reading, and the stuff I read comes from many different politically biased views. Do this for a while and you'll see that the bias is always present (one way or the other), but the news stories themselves still usually have (at least some) merit.

adamrezich 1y ago
Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but I simply found it startling that the article was so well-written, and well-researched, given that my only exposure to Salon has been since the “bloggification of news”, which has seen them become just as much of a shitrag as everyone else these days. But this guy put some serious time and effort into researching this story, and then further time and effort to coalesce it into this article—all from a highly inquisitive, truth-seeking perspective, devoid (as far as I can tell anyway) of any sort of partisan bias, or predetermined “angle” to the story that he's trying to push. Boy would it be nice if we saw more Actual Investigative Journalism like this, these days!
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like_any_other 1y ago
> other outlets (such as The Washington Post) were actively trying to discredit or sabotage their work. This is news to me. Can you share more about it, articles published, etc..?
- anonymousiam 1y ago
  Did you read the article? -- Still, the U.S. press was uninterested. Just one day after the Le Monde report, the Washington Post ran a story on March 6 that seemed to put the whole thing to rest. Headlined “Reports of Israeli Spy Ring Dismissed,” the piece, by John Mintz and Dan Eggen, opened with official denials from a “wide array of U.S. officials” and quoted Justice Department spokeswoman Susan Dryden as saying, “This seems to be an urban myth that has been circulating for months. The department has no information at this time to substantiate these widespread reports about Israeli art students involved in espionage.” The Post quoted anonymous officials who said they thought the allegations had been “circulated by a single employee of the Drug Enforcement Administration who is angry that his theories have not gained currency … [T]wo law enforcement officials said the disgruntled DEA agent, who disagreed with the conclusion of FBI and CIA intelligence experts that no spying was taking place, appears to be leaking a memo that he himself wrote.” --
  - like_any_other 1y ago
    > Did you read the article? I did not, and I read your comment very sloppily it seems - thank you for answering anyway :)
jamespo 1y ago
Things have changed a lot in 20 years but well done on having an open mind
- anonymousiam 1y ago
  I agree that things have changed. Objective journalism has suffered greatly over the past 20 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advocacy_journalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advocacy_journalism

jd3 1y ago

> What is especially remarkable, however, is how quickly the Fox News report appeared and then vanished. Internet sources say that when someone stumbles upon evidence of a possible conspiracy, such as the ones noted above, most journalists say it’s nothing but trouble to pursue it. Even if leads are developed, editors tend to ignore them. Some make it clear that such leads can hurt the writers professionally. Eyewitness reports regarding the Israeli peddlers from authoritative sources, however, make the story of the Israeli squads impossible to dismiss. https://www.wrmea.org/2002-may/israeli-trainees-and-mossad-agents-swept-up-in-9/11-net.html https://www.wrmea.org/2002-may/israeli-trainees-and-mossad-a...

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