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Again, I ask whether you think Harris or Biden produced objectively good results, or fixed any of the problems identified in the article. I agree that both are

Again, I ask whether you think Harris or Biden produced objectively good results, or fixed any of the problems identified in the article. I agree that both are better choices than Trump, but my exact point is that I can't cast a vote that is actually in my best interests. Concretely, I lost real pay under Biden; at the same time, buying a house where I live probably is half again as expensive as it had been. Even my most narrow economic interest is that both these problems get fixed. Do you think Harris would have done that?

motorest 1y ago
> Again, I ask whether you think Harris or Biden produced objectively good results, or fixed any of the problems identified in the article. I beg you to pause, take a deep breath, look at any of Trump's terms, and compare it with the output of Biden's administration. Do that, and you simply cannot say with a straight face that there was no choice or difference in outcomes. Not even as a joke. If you are honest with yourself and with everyone, you will acknowledge how outlandish that idea is. Let's be serious.
- cool_dude85 1y ago
  You're repeating yourself. You are arguing that Harris and Biden performed better than Trump would have (and is, now). I agree. I am arguing that Biden was not, and Harris would not have been, acting in my best interests.
  - motorest 1y ago
    That's an absurd argument to make considering how pyrrhic Trump's terms have been. It implies both are somehow equivalent in the utter destruction of people's interests and support infrastructure. They are not equivalent. There ain't a comparison possible. Framing Trump's trainwreck of an administration to any president's reads like a desperate attempt to normalize the damage he's doing.
    - queenkjuul 1y ago
      Bush stole an election, lied to the UN to start an illegal war, and killed a million innocent people. Biden let hundreds of thousands continue to die not taking serious action about COVID (Trump of course did the same, and they both did it previously for Line Go Up reasons). He crushed strikes, he failed to pass promised reforms despite congressional majorities. Nobody here has said they're equivalent. Nobody. Biden not being as bad as Trump does not mean Biden was working for the interests of the working class, is what is being said. If your political project refuses to engage with the working class, you can't blame them for not voting for you.

motorest 1y ago

> Again, I ask whether you think Harris or Biden produced objectively good results, or fixed any of the problems identified in the article. I beg you to pause, take a deep breath, look at any of Trump's terms, and compare it with the output of Biden's administration. Do that, and you simply cannot say with a straight face that there was no choice or difference in outcomes. Not even as a joke. If you are honest with yourself and with everyone, you will acknowledge how outlandish that idea is. Let's be serious.

cool_dude85 1y ago
You're repeating yourself. You are arguing that Harris and Biden performed better than Trump would have (and is, now). I agree. I am arguing that Biden was not, and Harris would not have been, acting in my best interests.
- motorest 1y ago
  That's an absurd argument to make considering how pyrrhic Trump's terms have been. It implies both are somehow equivalent in the utter destruction of people's interests and support infrastructure. They are not equivalent. There ain't a comparison possible. Framing Trump's trainwreck of an administration to any president's reads like a desperate attempt to normalize the damage he's doing.
  - queenkjuul 1y ago
    Bush stole an election, lied to the UN to start an illegal war, and killed a million innocent people. Biden let hundreds of thousands continue to die not taking serious action about COVID (Trump of course did the same, and they both did it previously for Line Go Up reasons). He crushed strikes, he failed to pass promised reforms despite congressional majorities. Nobody here has said they're equivalent. Nobody. Biden not being as bad as Trump does not mean Biden was working for the interests of the working class, is what is being said. If your political project refuses to engage with the working class, you can't blame them for not voting for you.