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Definitely over-simplified for the drug landscape, but I still think that users roughly sort into these two categories. I also think its incorrect to define th

Definitely over-simplified for the drug landscape, but I still think that users roughly sort into these two categories. I also think its incorrect to define this sort of escapism as escaping to something. IME people escape from something — the “to” doesn’t matter as long as the “from” ain’t there. I’d further agree that it has nothing to do with interracial marriage — not sure where this point came from? The “War on Drugs” as Nixon named it isn’t the beginning of the story.

fragmede 1y ago
it's not the beginning nor is it the end. To go back to the story, you said > If I had to guess, I’d bet my money on the people in power liking and using the hard charging stuff while loathing the touchy feely stuff. that some people liked the hard charging stuff and were white, and that some people liked the touchy feely stuff and who just so coincidentally some of them happened to be dark skinned, in an era that was racist to the point of having anti-miscegenation laws, isn't some minor coincidence. > the “to” doesn’t matter as long as the “from” ain’t there. The "to" matters because after you've gotten high you're there, but where's there? it's that the one where your kids are listening to you? where your wife never left, where your boyfriend wasn't beating you? In that "to", how is life?
- Henchman21 1y ago
  Yeah it's a sad history that can't be separated from racism, unfortunately. I think "to" matters most to the sober folks, no? Perhaps I'm simply not getting it. When you're high the pain stops whatever it is. And you're there. In the euphoria. And nothing else matters. But you eventually come down, and when you're sober again, it all matters! Particularly when you live in a society that criminalizes your escape. I've always thought it excessively cruel to criminalize substance abuse. Truly, what kind of creatures are we? smfh
  - fragmede 1y ago
    When you're high, where you are depends on the drug. They don't all cause the same incapacitating euphoria that fentanyl zombies experience. Alcoholics famously have a problem with driving while intoxicated, which is to say there's a state between sober and being blacked out. Some alcoholics just like a pleasant buzz and don't get to a point of euphoria and nothing else. Of course, cocaine addicts hash together elaborate business schemes while high to (to your point of stimulants being a gogogo drug), but then they're not in blissed out euphoria either, but actively thinking and planning and doing.
- Henchman21 1y ago
  As an aside, I enjoyed this conversation; thanks!!

fragmede 1y ago

it's not the beginning nor is it the end. To go back to the story, you said > If I had to guess, I’d bet my money on the people in power liking and using the hard charging stuff while loathing the touchy feely stuff. that some people liked the hard charging stuff and were white, and that some people liked the touchy feely stuff and who just so coincidentally some of them happened to be dark skinned, in an era that was racist to the point of having anti-miscegenation laws, isn't some minor coincidence. > the “to” doesn’t matter as long as the “from” ain’t there. The "to" matters because after you've gotten high you're there, but where's there? it's that the one where your kids are listening to you? where your wife never left, where your boyfriend wasn't beating you? In that "to", how is life?

Henchman21 1y ago
Yeah it's a sad history that can't be separated from racism, unfortunately. I think "to" matters most to the sober folks, no? Perhaps I'm simply not getting it. When you're high the pain stops whatever it is. And you're there. In the euphoria. And nothing else matters. But you eventually come down, and when you're sober again, it all matters! Particularly when you live in a society that criminalizes your escape. I've always thought it excessively cruel to criminalize substance abuse. Truly, what kind of creatures are we? smfh
- fragmede 1y ago
  When you're high, where you are depends on the drug. They don't all cause the same incapacitating euphoria that fentanyl zombies experience. Alcoholics famously have a problem with driving while intoxicated, which is to say there's a state between sober and being blacked out. Some alcoholics just like a pleasant buzz and don't get to a point of euphoria and nothing else. Of course, cocaine addicts hash together elaborate business schemes while high to (to your point of stimulants being a gogogo drug), but then they're not in blissed out euphoria either, but actively thinking and planning and doing.
Henchman21 1y ago
As an aside, I enjoyed this conversation; thanks!!