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How was Harris - who would have at the very least continued the sane economic policies of the Biden administration, a “terrible option” compared to Trump who re

How was Harris - who would have at the very least continued the sane economic policies of the Biden administration, a “terrible option” compared to Trump who repeatedly and with much enthusiasm, said he would pursue as much disruption as possible with tariffs, ice raids, and poor foreign trade policies? How are these equivalent to each other? That’s such false statement I don’t know how anyone can give it a pass at this point

cool_dude85 1y ago
You've given the game away. How was Harris a terrible option compared to Trump? She was not. But critically, she was only not a terrible option when compared to Trump! Maybe you might feel that Harris was herself an objectively good option, one who would successfully solve some of the problems brought up in the article. I personally find that very hard to believe.
wpm 1y ago
> the sane economic policies of the Biden administration Because those very same "sane" economic policies didn't actually do much perceivable improvement to the lives of most Americans. TFA even mentioned that Harris probably would've fired Lina Khan because "number must go up". Sure, being able to cancel Netflix with a button is nice but people want fucking healthcare and for there to be a shred of dignity in working an honest living. People in 2020 were suffering, so they voted for change. People in 2024 were suffering, so they voted for change. People in 2026 will be suffering, so they'll probably vote for change...people in 2028....
- no_wizard 1y ago
  They were sane. As in, were not insane. As in, they wouldn't have deliberately wrecked the economy and not guaranteed economic uncertainty. Whether they were applicable to the day to day realities of many Americans is beside the point I'm making. It of course matters and goes a long way to explain how the Democrats lost the election in 2024, however, the policies weren't going to intentionally lead the US economy into a recession and promote economic uncertainty, shatter trust with our historic allies etc.
ndiddy 1y ago
The problem is that over time, traditional economic measures have ceased to accurately model the average person's quality of life. What use is a growing GDP when most people can't afford to buy a house until their mid-thirties? What use is the S&P 500 reaching an all-time high when daycare costs $2000/month? Of course if you're looking at things purely from a logical, calculating, "lesser-evil" perspective Harris is the better candidate, but a lot of people can plainly see that their quality of life has gotten worse compared to how their parents and grandparents were doing at their age. A large amount of people who see things getting worse and feel like they have nothing to lose is how you get political extremism and candidates like Trump winning elections.
- bloomca 1y ago
  Yep, I think a lot of people genuinely want to disrupt the status quo. Sure there are some very questionable things attached, but in general people are extremely good at ignoring things if they get a better deal out of it.
- motorest 1y ago
  > Of course if you're looking at things purely from a logical, calculating, "lesser-evil" perspective Harris is the better candidate, but a lot of people can plainly see that their quality of life has gotten worse compared to how their parents and grandparents were doing at their age. I am perplexed by this blend of comments. It reads like a desperate attempt to whitewash and normalize the trainwreck that is the Trump administration. Trump is not in the same category as any other president in terms of utter destruction and dismantlement of social safety nets available to US citizens. They are not the same. It's baffling and completely unserious to even insinuate Harris, by extrapolating Biden's work and legacy, would be equivalent or comparable to the hostility the Trump administration exhibited towards the working class and low income families. Biden fought hard to push forward policies like the student debt forgiveness program, which Trump-supporting republicans did everything in their reach to eliminate and revert. They are not the same. Even suggesting they are is insulting to everyone's intelligence.
  - ndiddy 1y ago
queenkjuul 1y ago
They're not equivalent, but that doesn't mean either is in working people's interest.
- no_wizard 1y ago
  One has nothing to do with the other in terms of the discussion at hand. They aren't equivalent as you said, and thats what I am solely discussing

cool_dude85 1y ago

You've given the game away. How was Harris a terrible option compared to Trump? She was not. But critically, she was only not a terrible option when compared to Trump! Maybe you might feel that Harris was herself an objectively good option, one who would successfully solve some of the problems brought up in the article. I personally find that very hard to believe.

wpm 1y ago

> the sane economic policies of the Biden administration Because those very same "sane" economic policies didn't actually do much perceivable improvement to the lives of most Americans. TFA even mentioned that Harris probably would've fired Lina Khan because "number must go up". Sure, being able to cancel Netflix with a button is nice but people want fucking healthcare and for there to be a shred of dignity in working an honest living. People in 2020 were suffering, so they voted for change. People in 2024 were suffering, so they voted for change. People in 2026 will be suffering, so they'll probably vote for change...people in 2028....

no_wizard 1y ago
They were sane. As in, were not insane. As in, they wouldn't have deliberately wrecked the economy and not guaranteed economic uncertainty. Whether they were applicable to the day to day realities of many Americans is beside the point I'm making. It of course matters and goes a long way to explain how the Democrats lost the election in 2024, however, the policies weren't going to intentionally lead the US economy into a recession and promote economic uncertainty, shatter trust with our historic allies etc.

ndiddy 1y ago

The problem is that over time, traditional economic measures have ceased to accurately model the average person's quality of life. What use is a growing GDP when most people can't afford to buy a house until their mid-thirties? What use is the S&P 500 reaching an all-time high when daycare costs $2000/month? Of course if you're looking at things purely from a logical, calculating, "lesser-evil" perspective Harris is the better candidate, but a lot of people can plainly see that their quality of life has gotten worse compared to how their parents and grandparents were doing at their age. A large amount of people who see things getting worse and feel like they have nothing to lose is how you get political extremism and candidates like Trump winning elections.

bloomca 1y ago
Yep, I think a lot of people genuinely want to disrupt the status quo. Sure there are some very questionable things attached, but in general people are extremely good at ignoring things if they get a better deal out of it.
motorest 1y ago
> Of course if you're looking at things purely from a logical, calculating, "lesser-evil" perspective Harris is the better candidate, but a lot of people can plainly see that their quality of life has gotten worse compared to how their parents and grandparents were doing at their age. I am perplexed by this blend of comments. It reads like a desperate attempt to whitewash and normalize the trainwreck that is the Trump administration. Trump is not in the same category as any other president in terms of utter destruction and dismantlement of social safety nets available to US citizens. They are not the same. It's baffling and completely unserious to even insinuate Harris, by extrapolating Biden's work and legacy, would be equivalent or comparable to the hostility the Trump administration exhibited towards the working class and low income families. Biden fought hard to push forward policies like the student debt forgiveness program, which Trump-supporting republicans did everything in their reach to eliminate and revert. They are not the same. Even suggesting they are is insulting to everyone's intelligence.
- ndiddy 1y ago

queenkjuul 1y ago

They're not equivalent, but that doesn't mean either is in working people's interest.

no_wizard 1y ago
One has nothing to do with the other in terms of the discussion at hand. They aren't equivalent as you said, and thats what I am solely discussing