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> There should be quite a bit of incentive to e.g. drop AWS or stop using Google. the way the EU should retaliate to the US tariff clown fiesta is by adding a

> There should be quite a bit of incentive to e.g. drop AWS or stop using Google. the way the EU should retaliate to the US tariff clown fiesta is by adding a levy on purchase of any services supplied by US hyperscalers (or any companies under their control, directly or indirectly) start at 1%, increase by 1% every month until it hits 50% the aim is being not to raise revenue, but to remove the threat to national security posed by the US regime whilst providing a boost for your own domestic industry

FirmwareBurner 1y ago
>adding a levy on purchase of any services supplied by US hyperscalers How do you propose we do that? If you buy AWS cloud services from Amazon, you don't buy from Amazon Inc. Seattle USA, you're buying from Amazon S.a.r.l. Luxembourg, an EU company. It's an EU-to-EU business contract. Same with Google, Microsoft, etc. Unless you wanna start tariffing EU companies of foreign origin IP now, which would be a great if your goal is to torpedo all foreign investment in the EU.
- fauigerzigerk 1y ago
  Not sure it's such a great idea, but if you want to know how it could be implemented, just ask your favourite chatbot about DST (digital service tax).
- blibble 1y ago
  > How do you propose we do that? If you buy AWS cloud services from Amazon, you don't buy from Amazon Inc. Seattle USA, you're buying from Amazon S.a.r.l. Luxembourg, an EU company. It's an EU-to-EU business contract. exactly the same way VAT already works? you could even use the existing VAT infrastructure: a custom rate on hyperscaler owned companies and subsidiaries and forbid claiming it back > which would be a great if your goal is to torpedo all foreign investment in the EU. this is the point, where "all" means "US hyperscaler"
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
    >exactly the same way VAT already works? Care to explain in more datil since what you just said makes no sense. VAT is already applied to all consumer transactions.
    - blibble 1y ago
      > Care to explain in more datil since what you just said makes no sense. no, you just don't understand VAT business also pay VAT on everything they buy, but they are permitted to claim it back on qualifying expenses so, you: - classify spend on services from targeted US companies/subsidiaries as non-qualifying - increase the VAT rate on their services and this requires no new no new tax collection or infrastructure mechanism the result: a very effective, targeted, and unavoidable slow death of US hyperscalers in the EU market
- piperswe 1y ago
  Wouldn't Amazon S.a.r.l. Luxembourg then have to pay the levy on their purchase from Amazon Inc. Seattle USA?

FirmwareBurner 1y ago

>adding a levy on purchase of any services supplied by US hyperscalers How do you propose we do that? If you buy AWS cloud services from Amazon, you don't buy from Amazon Inc. Seattle USA, you're buying from Amazon S.a.r.l. Luxembourg, an EU company. It's an EU-to-EU business contract. Same with Google, Microsoft, etc. Unless you wanna start tariffing EU companies of foreign origin IP now, which would be a great if your goal is to torpedo all foreign investment in the EU.

fauigerzigerk 1y ago
Not sure it's such a great idea, but if you want to know how it could be implemented, just ask your favourite chatbot about DST (digital service tax).
blibble 1y ago
> How do you propose we do that? If you buy AWS cloud services from Amazon, you don't buy from Amazon Inc. Seattle USA, you're buying from Amazon S.a.r.l. Luxembourg, an EU company. It's an EU-to-EU business contract. exactly the same way VAT already works? you could even use the existing VAT infrastructure: a custom rate on hyperscaler owned companies and subsidiaries and forbid claiming it back > which would be a great if your goal is to torpedo all foreign investment in the EU. this is the point, where "all" means "US hyperscaler"
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  >exactly the same way VAT already works? Care to explain in more datil since what you just said makes no sense. VAT is already applied to all consumer transactions.
  - blibble 1y ago
    > Care to explain in more datil since what you just said makes no sense. no, you just don't understand VAT business also pay VAT on everything they buy, but they are permitted to claim it back on qualifying expenses so, you: - classify spend on services from targeted US companies/subsidiaries as non-qualifying - increase the VAT rate on their services and this requires no new no new tax collection or infrastructure mechanism the result: a very effective, targeted, and unavoidable slow death of US hyperscalers in the EU market
piperswe 1y ago
Wouldn't Amazon S.a.r.l. Luxembourg then have to pay the levy on their purchase from Amazon Inc. Seattle USA?