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Many politicians who voted for the bill publicly admitted they hadn't read it before passing it.

beart 1y ago
The more interesting (and depressing) aspect of congress is not how few of them read the bills, but the entities that actually write the bills. Most of the laws today have almost nothing to do with all of the lawyers in congress. They are written by lobbyists and industry groups.
- hiq 1y ago
  And then you have things like https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/gambling-tax-trump-big-beautiful-bill-9d01bbbd https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/gambling-tax-trump-big-b... which no one seems to have wanted and made it through anyway.
- hilbert42 1y ago
  Huh! The US isn't the only country where laws are written by lobbyists and industry groups. I'd maintain it's one of the biggest problems facing democracy these days. People everywhere know their voice hardly counts when lobbying, big business and money are involved.
SV_BubbleTime 1y ago
Like Pelosi proudly announcing the same for the Affordable Care Act in 2010? Nothing changes, except the issues you chose to be mad about and the ones you chose to ignore. https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2010/03/09/pelosi-pass-health-reform-so-you-can-find-out-whats-in-it https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2010/03/09/p...
- mindslight 1y ago
  Oh, thank you for explaining that the real problem is caring. You're right, we're all just meat feedstock for "AI" (ie corpos) or whatever, and we should be thankful for our chance to passively watch before it's our own turn to be fed into the grinder. </s> I get how the ACA is this reactionary touchstone about big scary de jure government daring to regulate the corpo-created death panels, and as a libertarian I would have vastly preferred a much different type of healthcare reform. But from a perspective of individual liberty, a national implementation of Romneycare couldn't possibly have fucked the country nearly as hard as handing more unchecked reins of power to an autocrat running on dementia fumes of ideas that might have worked in the 90's. So no, it is not "nothing changes". Rather it is a continual escalation. Your both-sidesing is itself based on that exact partisan interpretation whereby you care less about these specific topics, making you ignore that the overall problem is increasing - with this particular step being drastic.
- GuinansEyebrows 1y ago
  what on earth would lead you to believe that i would defend anything nancy pelosi has ever done? she's a ghoul and i hope she burns in hell. are you happy now? the affordable care act was one of the single largest transfers of wealth into private industry in the last few decades, and a massive failing by both major political parties to actually provide affordable, high quality healthcare that we're capable of shouldering as a society. you won't catch me defending any part of it, or anybody who kneecapped it during the legislative process. can you stop acting like politics is a team sport that can be won, and start recognizing that both parties are Bad, Actually, and do absolutely nothing for the vast majority of americans with net worths under a billion dollars?
  - SV_BubbleTime 1y ago
    I’m sorry I gave the impression that I was talking directly to you. It was a generalization of hyper-partisanism and how maybe if people don’t want something ahitty to happen to them later, they shouldn’t ignore it when they believe it is in their favor. See stacking the court, ending the filibuster, lowering the voting age to 16, etc.

The more interesting (and depressing) aspect of congress is not how few of them read the bills, but the entities that actually write the bills. Most of the laws today have almost nothing to do with all of the lawyers in congress. They are written by lobbyists and industry groups.

hiq 1y ago
And then you have things like https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/gambling-tax-trump-big-beautiful-bill-9d01bbbd https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/gambling-tax-trump-big-b... which no one seems to have wanted and made it through anyway.
hilbert42 1y ago
Huh! The US isn't the only country where laws are written by lobbyists and industry groups. I'd maintain it's one of the biggest problems facing democracy these days. People everywhere know their voice hardly counts when lobbying, big business and money are involved.

SV_BubbleTime 1y ago

Like Pelosi proudly announcing the same for the Affordable Care Act in 2010? Nothing changes, except the issues you chose to be mad about and the ones you chose to ignore. https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2010/03/09/pelosi-pass-health-reform-so-you-can-find-out-whats-in-it https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2010/03/09/p...

mindslight 1y ago
Oh, thank you for explaining that the real problem is caring. You're right, we're all just meat feedstock for "AI" (ie corpos) or whatever, and we should be thankful for our chance to passively watch before it's our own turn to be fed into the grinder. </s> I get how the ACA is this reactionary touchstone about big scary de jure government daring to regulate the corpo-created death panels, and as a libertarian I would have vastly preferred a much different type of healthcare reform. But from a perspective of individual liberty, a national implementation of Romneycare couldn't possibly have fucked the country nearly as hard as handing more unchecked reins of power to an autocrat running on dementia fumes of ideas that might have worked in the 90's. So no, it is not "nothing changes". Rather it is a continual escalation. Your both-sidesing is itself based on that exact partisan interpretation whereby you care less about these specific topics, making you ignore that the overall problem is increasing - with this particular step being drastic.
GuinansEyebrows 1y ago
what on earth would lead you to believe that i would defend anything nancy pelosi has ever done? she's a ghoul and i hope she burns in hell. are you happy now? the affordable care act was one of the single largest transfers of wealth into private industry in the last few decades, and a massive failing by both major political parties to actually provide affordable, high quality healthcare that we're capable of shouldering as a society. you won't catch me defending any part of it, or anybody who kneecapped it during the legislative process. can you stop acting like politics is a team sport that can be won, and start recognizing that both parties are Bad, Actually, and do absolutely nothing for the vast majority of americans with net worths under a billion dollars?
- SV_BubbleTime 1y ago
  I’m sorry I gave the impression that I was talking directly to you. It was a generalization of hyper-partisanism and how maybe if people don’t want something ahitty to happen to them later, they shouldn’t ignore it when they believe it is in their favor. See stacking the court, ending the filibuster, lowering the voting age to 16, etc.