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I would say most people are capable of learning and behaving. But our system is riddled with cancerous tumors that are trying to accumulate all resources to the

by phito 1y ago

I would say most people are capable of learning and behaving. But our system is riddled with cancerous tumors that are trying to accumulate all resources to the detriment of the rest of the system.

aydyn 1y ago
Its easy to want to blame a few villians, but the problem is the collective consumption habits and preferences of us all.
- koiueo 1y ago
  > collective consumption habits and preferences of us all ... in the first-world bubble
  - aydyn 1y ago
    Not at all, its more like human nature. For example, illegal logging in Brazil: it isn't mega corporations with evil billionaires at the helm, its small every day people who just want to make a better life for themselves. There's a hypothetical from an Oxford debate that I am struggling to find that was something like this: If you are poor family and starving and for every day you could press a button and giant plume of CO2 would get released, but your child would not starve, would not get disease and would lead a fulfilled life, would you press that button? Every parent would smash that button until their hand bled. In the first world bubble, we have this button (more or less) but every person on earth would want this button too.
- phito 1y ago
  You're not wrong. I think both are bad and the former is enabling the later. also I want to clarify that my analogy was more about companies than about billionaires
- autoexec 1y ago
  Our collective consumption habits and preferences are primarily shaped, limited, and controlled by a few villains. What you can afford and what is available to you in the first place matters most.
OutOfHere 1y ago
I blame the "debt fueled " economy, basically our whole financial system, where companies can take big debts to do anything at the expense of the environment. Banks especially love funding fossil fuel projects. This financial system will have to collapse under its own weight of its exponential debt. Once we return to a more grounded concept of money, perhaps gold based, where debts are a lot more controlled due to an absence of uncontrolled moneyprinting, growth can then slow down, allowing us more time to digest what's actually good for us and what's not.

by phito 1y ago

I would say most people are capable of learning and behaving. But our system is riddled with cancerous tumors that are trying to accumulate all resources to the detriment of the rest of the system.

aydyn 1y ago

Its easy to want to blame a few villians, but the problem is the collective consumption habits and preferences of us all.

koiueo 1y ago
> collective consumption habits and preferences of us all ... in the first-world bubble
- aydyn 1y ago
  Not at all, its more like human nature. For example, illegal logging in Brazil: it isn't mega corporations with evil billionaires at the helm, its small every day people who just want to make a better life for themselves. There's a hypothetical from an Oxford debate that I am struggling to find that was something like this: If you are poor family and starving and for every day you could press a button and giant plume of CO2 would get released, but your child would not starve, would not get disease and would lead a fulfilled life, would you press that button? Every parent would smash that button until their hand bled. In the first world bubble, we have this button (more or less) but every person on earth would want this button too.
phito 1y ago
You're not wrong. I think both are bad and the former is enabling the later. also I want to clarify that my analogy was more about companies than about billionaires
autoexec 1y ago
Our collective consumption habits and preferences are primarily shaped, limited, and controlled by a few villains. What you can afford and what is available to you in the first place matters most.

OutOfHere 1y ago

I blame the "debt fueled " economy, basically our whole financial system, where companies can take big debts to do anything at the expense of the environment. Banks especially love funding fossil fuel projects. This financial system will have to collapse under its own weight of its exponential debt. Once we return to a more grounded concept of money, perhaps gold based, where debts are a lot more controlled due to an absence of uncontrolled moneyprinting, growth can then slow down, allowing us more time to digest what's actually good for us and what's not.