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Depends where you look, but most of his voters don't know and/or don't care. I think the only thing he's done to rile them up so far this term is his recent com

Depends where you look, but most of his voters don't know and/or don't care. I think the only thing he's done to rile them up so far this term is his recent comments on the Epstein case.

RajT88 1y ago
The right wing media ecosystem they have created obscures the fact that Obamacare is the thing these people are using. Then, once it fails, they will just lie and again blame Democrats for it instead of circling back to their talking points about how they wanted to kill Obamacare. This is just some people. I have met a fair number of people who just think it is too bad, so sad if you are too poor or do not have a good enough job for good healthcare. I was visiting Canada once, and the folks at the company I was visiting recounted the last American who rolled through who espoused the "well, I guess they die" talking points - to their horror.
- DennisP 1y ago
  If rates go way up next year, I don't see how they're going to convince people the Democrats are at fault.
  - ceejayoz 1y ago
    Stock market goes up: Trump economy! Stock market goes down: Biden left us a shitty economy! Same will happen here.
    - DennisP 1y ago
      Of course they'll say it. I just doubt that many people will believe it.
      - ceejayoz 1y ago
        The last decade doesn't give me much doubt about that. We're talking about folks who non-ironically walk around with signs saying "keep government out of my medicare". https://archive.nytimes.com/krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/11/medicare-recipients-against-handouts/ https://archive.nytimes.com/krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/0... > 44 percent of Social Security recipients, and 40 percent of Medicare recipients, believe that they don’t benefit from any government social program.
        DennisP 1y ago
        That's sad, but check recent polls in Trump's approval rating for various issues. He's underwater and trending down, pretty much across the board. https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker
        fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
        He's deeply underwater on the Epstein issue too, really botched that one
      - Tadpole9181 1y ago
        Well their supporters are, quite frankly, unrepentant morons that have believed literally anything broadcast on their absolutely enormous propaganda machine for two decades. I'm not exactly holding my breath that they'll suddenly grow a brain to connect cause and effect against the word of Dear Supreme God King.
      - spauldo 1y ago
        Spend a bit of time talking with tradesmen and you'll change your mind on that. These people aren't stupid - far from it! I work with electricians all day and they're sharp as tacks. But most of 'em have been lied to so long they buy it all, hook, line, and sinker. Quite a few of them get drawn in by the social conservative outlook and then just go along with the rest of it.
        DennisP 1y ago
        Yes, but only about a third of voters are hard-core MAGA. There's a big group in the middle that pays less attention to politics, and swung for Trump mostly for economic reasons.
        spauldo 1y ago
        You don't have to be hardcore MAGA to buy the bullshit. You just have to have the right assumptions beforehand, a limited and biased source of information, and enough lack of interest to not question what you're told. When you're surrounded by similar people with one or two true believers in the mix, you have to make a conscious effort to hear the other side. A lot of people don't do that. "Economy sucks, oh it's Biden's fault? Figures."
        DennisP 1y ago
        https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker
      - wat10000 1y ago
        Why not? They're already primed to hate Obamacare. All you have to do is say that prices went up because of the law, not these changes, and they'll believe it.
    - RajT88 1y ago
      Biden. Lol. Trump is still blaming Obama for stuff for some reason. (Yes, we all know the reason)
RhysabOweyn 1y ago
There has been an explosion of enrollments from red states in recent years, getting hit with a massive increase in monthly expenses will probably not go down so well: https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/where-aca-marketplace-enrollment-is-growing-the-fastest-and-why/ https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/where-aca-marketplace-enrol...
- fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
  I don't think they'll enjoy a price increase, but I also don't have confidence that the average Trump voter will blame him for it. Most of them are already distrustful of government and this will just validate that. Of course Obamacare failed, Trump was right all along, it failed because too many illegals, etc.

Depends where you look, but most of his voters don't know and/or don't care. I think the only thing he's done to rile them up so far this term is his recent comments on the Epstein case.

RajT88 1y ago

The right wing media ecosystem they have created obscures the fact that Obamacare is the thing these people are using. Then, once it fails, they will just lie and again blame Democrats for it instead of circling back to their talking points about how they wanted to kill Obamacare. This is just some people. I have met a fair number of people who just think it is too bad, so sad if you are too poor or do not have a good enough job for good healthcare. I was visiting Canada once, and the folks at the company I was visiting recounted the last American who rolled through who espoused the "well, I guess they die" talking points - to their horror.

DennisP 1y ago
If rates go way up next year, I don't see how they're going to convince people the Democrats are at fault.
- ceejayoz 1y ago
  Stock market goes up: Trump economy! Stock market goes down: Biden left us a shitty economy! Same will happen here.
  - DennisP 1y ago
    Of course they'll say it. I just doubt that many people will believe it.
    - ceejayoz 1y ago
      The last decade doesn't give me much doubt about that. We're talking about folks who non-ironically walk around with signs saying "keep government out of my medicare". https://archive.nytimes.com/krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/11/medicare-recipients-against-handouts/ https://archive.nytimes.com/krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/0... > 44 percent of Social Security recipients, and 40 percent of Medicare recipients, believe that they don’t benefit from any government social program.
      - DennisP 1y ago
        That's sad, but check recent polls in Trump's approval rating for various issues. He's underwater and trending down, pretty much across the board. https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker
        fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
        He's deeply underwater on the Epstein issue too, really botched that one
    - Tadpole9181 1y ago
      Well their supporters are, quite frankly, unrepentant morons that have believed literally anything broadcast on their absolutely enormous propaganda machine for two decades. I'm not exactly holding my breath that they'll suddenly grow a brain to connect cause and effect against the word of Dear Supreme God King.
    - spauldo 1y ago
      Spend a bit of time talking with tradesmen and you'll change your mind on that. These people aren't stupid - far from it! I work with electricians all day and they're sharp as tacks. But most of 'em have been lied to so long they buy it all, hook, line, and sinker. Quite a few of them get drawn in by the social conservative outlook and then just go along with the rest of it.
      - DennisP 1y ago
        Yes, but only about a third of voters are hard-core MAGA. There's a big group in the middle that pays less attention to politics, and swung for Trump mostly for economic reasons.
        spauldo 1y ago
        You don't have to be hardcore MAGA to buy the bullshit. You just have to have the right assumptions beforehand, a limited and biased source of information, and enough lack of interest to not question what you're told. When you're surrounded by similar people with one or two true believers in the mix, you have to make a conscious effort to hear the other side. A lot of people don't do that. "Economy sucks, oh it's Biden's fault? Figures."
        DennisP 1y ago
        https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker
    - wat10000 1y ago
      Why not? They're already primed to hate Obamacare. All you have to do is say that prices went up because of the law, not these changes, and they'll believe it.
  - RajT88 1y ago
    Biden. Lol. Trump is still blaming Obama for stuff for some reason. (Yes, we all know the reason)

RhysabOweyn 1y ago

There has been an explosion of enrollments from red states in recent years, getting hit with a massive increase in monthly expenses will probably not go down so well: https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/where-aca-marketplace-enrollment-is-growing-the-fastest-and-why/ https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/where-aca-marketplace-enrol...

fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
I don't think they'll enjoy a price increase, but I also don't have confidence that the average Trump voter will blame him for it. Most of them are already distrustful of government and this will just validate that. Of course Obamacare failed, Trump was right all along, it failed because too many illegals, etc.