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You're literally quoting rights defined by a government charter. Without the state, those rights cease to exist.

• anonym29 1y ago
  No, those are natural rights that governments wisely choose to recognize. I hold those rights, along with the right to life, liberty, and the peaceful pursuit of happiness. Whether or not one or more governments recognizes those rights has no bearing on whether I hold them.
  • root_axis 1y ago
    "Natural rights" are a philosophical ideal, they don't exist in and of themselves. Without a state nobody needs to respect them.
    • anonym29 1y ago
      You don't stab and rob people daily, do you? Are you saying you would if there were no federal government? Nobody needs to respect your rights with government existing either, government just offers the possibility of consequences for people who violate the non-aggression principle.
      • root_axis 1y ago
        > Are you saying you would if there were no federal government? Maybe? The hypothetical represents a world so alien to the one we live in that it's hard to predict how I would act. What is absolutely assured however is that the biggest assholes in the region are definitely going to do a lot of killing, robbing and raping.
        • anonym29 1y ago
          Government or no government, people who go around raping are gonna get killed, people who go around murdering are going to get killed, and people who go around robbing are going to get killed. Crime is a self-solving problem in an armed society.
          • cindyllm 1y ago
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