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Why is there no more recent studies on that?

Joel_Mckay 1y ago
Because usually the "euphoria" people feel is their biology failing due to mild poisoning. It is why most people will often upchuck within a few minutes of ingestion. People may think they are finding enlightenment, but are no different from the local deranged squirrels aggressively howling at passerby after nibbling Amanita in the fall. Apparently the squirrels use the mushroom to help preserve food stores, and it doesn't poison them as severely (often fatal for humans.) Paul Stamets is a weird dude, but his work contains some profoundly detailed observations. People need to think about Fungi as closer to animals that don't move on their own, and acknowledge they rapidly adapt genetically to survive. Pretty to photograph, but often far more complex than people like to admit. =3
- pjerem 1y ago
  > Because usually the "euphoria" people feel is their biology failing due to mild poisoning. All the recent studies in the last decade have proven it's the opposite. What's your point exactly ?
  - Joel_Mckay 1y ago
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  - jfyi 1y ago
    >Amanita It's an entirely different class of hallucinogen. I don't have personal experience with it but I have done other dissociative hallucinogens and his take is likely largely true (though I wouldn't argue with someone saying they felt euphoria on it). The problem here is it's the entirely wrong mushroom. I can assure any doubters that psilocybin on the other hand has legitimate euphoric effects.
    - Joel_Mckay 1y ago
      The psilocybin containing variety also naturally grow in our yard, and the Amanita is an invasive variety. The "high" people feel is a chemical lobotomy from mild poisoning, and onset of renal failure. Hence why you feel nausea and often erupt out both ends if ingested (especially bad if allergic to a specific fungi.) I asked for 5 citations not sponsored by dealers that he claimed were available, and my post was flagged. To be fair, I would also accept 3 double-blind medical citations of reasonable quality. You can't argue with the irrational, as hitting yourself in the head with a brick also causes similar results. lol =3
      - pjerem 1y ago
        https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27909164/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27909164/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35458717/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35458717/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12001667 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12001667 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12030455/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12030455/ None of those publications are sponsored by dealers. There are multiple others which I’m not going to search but I hope now you have starting points, you’ll be curious enough to do further research. > hitting yourself in the head with a brick also causes similar results. That’s false and you aren’t going to find a single paper (funded by anyone) that would conclude this.
        Joel_Mckay 1y ago
        These studies focused on combined therapy in psychiatry, and do not address the long-term health implications. They do confirm certain strata of the population benefit from the experience, but do not define the underlying mechanism (my concern.) >That’s false and you aren’t going to find a single paper (funded by anyone) that would conclude this. A brick may be too strong for some, but minor brain injury often causes euphoric experiences and personality changes... even if people hop up and down on the spot long enough. Native traditions in Africa have been getting concussion highs that way likely since history began. Incidentally, getting hit with a brick would certainly cause someone to stop ruminating on existential angst for a little while, and euphoric concussions do cause cathartic experiences. lol =3 Notably, the age of surgical and chemical lobotomies were used to treat unruly patients in North America for several decades. Commonly, procedures were applied to treatment resistant criminal psychopaths and countless others with little long-term success. We agree "something" happens (well documented with LSD), but disagree on the safety warnings in your own citations. Which do not clearly address long-term health effects due to the cocktail of other compounds in cancer patients. I am not judging peoples life choices, but we must agree most people that do recreational drugs are not in cancer or psychiatric care. Thank you for the citations, as it cleared up why we differ in opinion on this matter. Best of luck =3
- nilamo 1y ago
  > Paul Stamets is a weird dude A Star Trek reference?
  - Joel_Mckay 1y ago
    He was writing practical agricultural mycology books long before he advised the TV show. First came across his work while modeling hermetic food and waste reclamation options. Paul looked at this area several decades prior, and documented everything in detail. He is weird, but a good scientist worthy of respect. =3
  - zevon 1y ago
    The other way round. They named the Star Trek character after a real-world mycologist.
- skeezyboy 1y ago
  the "euphoria" they feel is serotonin.
  - Joel_Mckay 1y ago
    Indistinguishable from the stages of Death: https://www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_my_stroke_of_insight/transcript?language=en https://www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_my_stroke_of_ins... Some do not choose wisely =3
    - skeezyboy 1y ago
      are you schizophrenic? you have the same kind of textual output as someone on the edge of psychosis
      - Joel_Mckay 1y ago
        Ad hominem opinions is not a conversation, and a few times a year some fool dies in the local campground trying to get high and or a free wild-harvest meal. Try not to be rude, and ask if you don't understand. =3
      - jfyi 1y ago
        He's pretty entertaining really. You are correct of course, it's a serotonergic hallucinogen. https://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/chemistry/chemistry_compare.php?lm=serotonin_3d&rm=psilocybin_3d https://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/chemistry/chemistry_com... There just may be a tiny bit of SAR going on there. :)
        Joel_Mckay 1y ago
        Just ignore Peter Parker, and his sock-puppet troll accounts. They are still in denial their kidneys may eventually fail. =)
        jfyi 1y ago
        I am still waiting for those 5 citations. Your last batch fell apart bad.

Because usually the "euphoria" people feel is their biology failing due to mild poisoning. It is why most people will often upchuck within a few minutes of ingestion. People may think they are finding enlightenment, but are no different from the local deranged squirrels aggressively howling at passerby after nibbling Amanita in the fall. Apparently the squirrels use the mushroom to help preserve food stores, and it doesn't poison them as severely (often fatal for humans.) Paul Stamets is a weird dude, but his work contains some profoundly detailed observations. People need to think about Fungi as closer to animals that don't move on their own, and acknowledge they rapidly adapt genetically to survive. Pretty to photograph, but often far more complex than people like to admit. =3

pjerem 1y ago
> Because usually the "euphoria" people feel is their biology failing due to mild poisoning. All the recent studies in the last decade have proven it's the opposite. What's your point exactly ?
- Joel_Mckay 1y ago
  [flagged]
- jfyi 1y ago
  >Amanita It's an entirely different class of hallucinogen. I don't have personal experience with it but I have done other dissociative hallucinogens and his take is likely largely true (though I wouldn't argue with someone saying they felt euphoria on it). The problem here is it's the entirely wrong mushroom. I can assure any doubters that psilocybin on the other hand has legitimate euphoric effects.
  - Joel_Mckay 1y ago
    The psilocybin containing variety also naturally grow in our yard, and the Amanita is an invasive variety. The "high" people feel is a chemical lobotomy from mild poisoning, and onset of renal failure. Hence why you feel nausea and often erupt out both ends if ingested (especially bad if allergic to a specific fungi.) I asked for 5 citations not sponsored by dealers that he claimed were available, and my post was flagged. To be fair, I would also accept 3 double-blind medical citations of reasonable quality. You can't argue with the irrational, as hitting yourself in the head with a brick also causes similar results. lol =3
    - pjerem 1y ago
      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27909164/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27909164/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35458717/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35458717/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12001667 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12001667 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12030455/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12030455/ None of those publications are sponsored by dealers. There are multiple others which I’m not going to search but I hope now you have starting points, you’ll be curious enough to do further research. > hitting yourself in the head with a brick also causes similar results. That’s false and you aren’t going to find a single paper (funded by anyone) that would conclude this.
      - Joel_Mckay 1y ago
        These studies focused on combined therapy in psychiatry, and do not address the long-term health implications. They do confirm certain strata of the population benefit from the experience, but do not define the underlying mechanism (my concern.) >That’s false and you aren’t going to find a single paper (funded by anyone) that would conclude this. A brick may be too strong for some, but minor brain injury often causes euphoric experiences and personality changes... even if people hop up and down on the spot long enough. Native traditions in Africa have been getting concussion highs that way likely since history began. Incidentally, getting hit with a brick would certainly cause someone to stop ruminating on existential angst for a little while, and euphoric concussions do cause cathartic experiences. lol =3 Notably, the age of surgical and chemical lobotomies were used to treat unruly patients in North America for several decades. Commonly, procedures were applied to treatment resistant criminal psychopaths and countless others with little long-term success. We agree "something" happens (well documented with LSD), but disagree on the safety warnings in your own citations. Which do not clearly address long-term health effects due to the cocktail of other compounds in cancer patients. I am not judging peoples life choices, but we must agree most people that do recreational drugs are not in cancer or psychiatric care. Thank you for the citations, as it cleared up why we differ in opinion on this matter. Best of luck =3
nilamo 1y ago
> Paul Stamets is a weird dude A Star Trek reference?
- Joel_Mckay 1y ago
  He was writing practical agricultural mycology books long before he advised the TV show. First came across his work while modeling hermetic food and waste reclamation options. Paul looked at this area several decades prior, and documented everything in detail. He is weird, but a good scientist worthy of respect. =3
- zevon 1y ago
  The other way round. They named the Star Trek character after a real-world mycologist.
skeezyboy 1y ago
the "euphoria" they feel is serotonin.
- Joel_Mckay 1y ago
  Indistinguishable from the stages of Death: https://www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_my_stroke_of_insight/transcript?language=en https://www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_my_stroke_of_ins... Some do not choose wisely =3
  - skeezyboy 1y ago
    are you schizophrenic? you have the same kind of textual output as someone on the edge of psychosis
    - Joel_Mckay 1y ago
      Ad hominem opinions is not a conversation, and a few times a year some fool dies in the local campground trying to get high and or a free wild-harvest meal. Try not to be rude, and ask if you don't understand. =3
    - jfyi 1y ago
      He's pretty entertaining really. You are correct of course, it's a serotonergic hallucinogen. https://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/chemistry/chemistry_compare.php?lm=serotonin_3d&rm=psilocybin_3d https://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/chemistry/chemistry_com... There just may be a tiny bit of SAR going on there. :)
      - Joel_Mckay 1y ago
        Just ignore Peter Parker, and his sock-puppet troll accounts. They are still in denial their kidneys may eventually fail. =)
        jfyi 1y ago
        I am still waiting for those 5 citations. Your last batch fell apart bad.