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Can I ask for some examples? I'm not this active on Wikipedia, so I'm curious where a narrative is being spread

kristjank 1y ago
Franklin Community Credit Union scandal is a good example, well outlined in this youtuber's (admittedly dramatized) video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0yIGG-taFI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0yIGG-taFI
- n4r9 1y ago
  Is their argument documented anywhere in text, rather than an 8 minutes video?
  - hbogert 1y ago
    ask chatgpt to summarize
    - n4r9 1y ago
      Not convinced that would be any better, but I did just have a go and got the response: > I'm currently unable to fetch data directly from YouTube due to a tool issue. This means I can't access the transcript, timestamps, or metadata from the video at this time.
fauigerzigerk 1y ago
I thought about giving examples because I understand why people would ask for them, but I decided very deliberately not to give any. It would inevitably turn into a flame war about the politics/ethics of the specific examples and distract from the reasons why I no longer trust Wikipedia. I understand that this is unsatisfactory, but the only way to "prove" that the motivations of the people contributing to Wikipedia have shifted would be to run a systematic study for which I have neither the time nor the skills nor indeed the motivation. Perhaps I should say that am a politically centrist person whose main interests are outside of politics.
- junek 1y ago
  Let me guess: you hold some crank views that aren't shared by the people who maintain Wikipedia, and you find that upsetting? That's not a conspiracy, it's just people not agreeing with you.
  - fauigerzigerk 1y ago
    Your guess is incorrect. I'm keeping well away from polarised politics as well as anti-scientific and anti-intellectual fringe views.
notarobot123 1y ago
Here are some examples from which you can extrapolate the more serious cases: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Lamest_edit_wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Lamest_edit_wars

Franklin Community Credit Union scandal is a good example, well outlined in this youtuber's (admittedly dramatized) video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0yIGG-taFI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0yIGG-taFI

n4r9 1y ago
Is their argument documented anywhere in text, rather than an 8 minutes video?
- hbogert 1y ago
  ask chatgpt to summarize
  - n4r9 1y ago
    Not convinced that would be any better, but I did just have a go and got the response: > I'm currently unable to fetch data directly from YouTube due to a tool issue. This means I can't access the transcript, timestamps, or metadata from the video at this time.

fauigerzigerk 1y ago

I thought about giving examples because I understand why people would ask for them, but I decided very deliberately not to give any. It would inevitably turn into a flame war about the politics/ethics of the specific examples and distract from the reasons why I no longer trust Wikipedia. I understand that this is unsatisfactory, but the only way to "prove" that the motivations of the people contributing to Wikipedia have shifted would be to run a systematic study for which I have neither the time nor the skills nor indeed the motivation. Perhaps I should say that am a politically centrist person whose main interests are outside of politics.

junek 1y ago
Let me guess: you hold some crank views that aren't shared by the people who maintain Wikipedia, and you find that upsetting? That's not a conspiracy, it's just people not agreeing with you.
- fauigerzigerk 1y ago
  Your guess is incorrect. I'm keeping well away from polarised politics as well as anti-scientific and anti-intellectual fringe views.

notarobot123 1y ago

Here are some examples from which you can extrapolate the more serious cases: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Lamest_edit_wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Lamest_edit_wars